Best Butterslax playthrough vids IN THE WORLD!!!!

[oldmtlhed]

1-800-GAS-GONE

Hey!
No "free consultations". If these addicts can afford to spend $4,000 on another amp...
they can afford to pay my consultation fees!

 

[LunatiBSW]

ahem...and Uncle...you're gonna want the cab too.

Congrats!

I'm trying to decide whether 2 x 15" are snake oil or actually helpful with this amp, or any of my other amps... Otherwise it's a pig of a cab.

But I'm researching it, thanks for the heads up Lester!!

Brandon (LunatiBSW) has some vids showing his Butterslax with matching cabs and it sounds uh-may-zing!

Thanks Jeremy, they are shit iPhone, but the amp still sounds good for what it is. It's a goal in the future to get my recording gear revamped and go the reactive load/ ir route like you got Jer.
The 15's do sound awesome. Deep and tight. I've also never had the h30's, they are aggressive and complimentary of the mids and detail. The 15's bring the thump like no other. My Herbert sounds awesome (and different) through it also. So did my twin jet when I had it, sounded way better than the uberkab I had.

 

[JerEvil]

ahem...and Uncle...you're gonna want the cab too.

Congrats!

I'm trying to decide whether 2 x 15" are snake oil or actually helpful with this amp, or any of my other amps... Otherwise it's a pig of a cab.

But I'm researching it, thanks for the heads up Lester!!

Brandon (LunatiBSW) has some vids showing his Butterslax with matching cabs and it sounds uh-may-zing!

Thanks Jeremy, they are shit iPhone, but the amp still sounds good for what it is. It's a goal in the future to get my recording gear revamped and go the reactive load/ ir route like you got Jer.
The 15's do sound awesome. Deep and tight. I've also never had the h30's, they are aggressive and complimentary of the mids and detail. The 15's bring the thump like no other. My Herbert sounds awesome (and different) through it also. So did my twin jet when I had it, sounded way better than the uberkab I had.

Yeah man I have a V-Boutique oversized 2x12 with H30's and it sounds killer. I gotta checkout these Celestion 15's.

 

[Ventura]

1-800-GAS-GONE

Hey!
No "free consultations". If these addicts can afford to spend $4,000 on another amp...
they can afford to pay my consultation fees!

Oh COME ON oldmtlhed... You know how the world of psychobabble works. You have to "convert" the "client"; tempt them with the free consultation, blow tremendous amounts of sunshine up their asses and affirmations GALORE, make them feel great about themselves, then, just before the end of the "free first consultation", state that it's "obvious to you there are some underlying matters that are of relevance; they may not be numerous, they may not be behemoth in complexity; but they are definitely issues and they're holding you back from being all that you can be. If you want to reach the next level and wake up owning your space - mentally, physically, spiritually, and most important, sonically - we need to have at least 4 to 6 sessions. Totally up to you, but I see tremendous potential and I think this will be short business for both of us - so it's your call, but I think it's time to unleash the beast and make the world your oyster!!"

I just came up with that paragraph of bullshit, but can you believe that's all it takes to steal $150-$200/hr for a hack psycho-wrench?? True story.

Soft science - it's got its place - but it's become so fashionable now, people are just paying other people to tell them they're wonderful, awesome, beautiful and loved.

Sad.

So instead, buy expensive gear and feel equally as good. Christ, oldmtlhed you could even cop some free gear by explaining to your clients it's best to downsize, offer up their amps to you for safe keeping, some guitars, effects...it's a therapeutic modality - the attempt of gear attrition - to gauge the "severity" of your clients' GAS issues.

Let's talk - we could get this off the ground stat!! Maybe even do an IPO.

Serious.

 

[Ventura]

ahem...and Uncle...you're gonna want the cab too.

Congrats!

I'm trying to decide whether 2 x 15" are snake oil or actually helpful with this amp, or any of my other amps... Otherwise it's a pig of a cab.

But I'm researching it, thanks for the heads up Lester!!

Brandon (LunatiBSW) has some vids showing his Butterslax with matching cabs and it sounds uh-may-zing!

I'm told the difference isn't at all noticeable with the 15"s unless you're well past noon on the MV and moving tonnes of air. Otherwise, the differences in tonal quality are more to do with the G12H30 drivers than anything else.

Thoughts??

 

[oldmtlhed]

Let's talk - we could get this off the ground stat!! Maybe even do an IPO.

You used to be a recruiter for the Church of Scientology.... huh.

Build it up, do an IPO, then cash-out and disappear into the wind!
Yeah, we all love the "get rich quick off scamming others" scheme!



Hey, "jobs" are non-existent now. It's ALL a "scam based" economy anyway.

 

[errrrrl]

I'm told the difference isn't at all noticeable with the 15"s unless you're well past noon on the MV and moving tonnes of air. Otherwise, the differences in tonal quality are more to do with the G12H30 drivers than anything else.

Thoughts??

Really? I totally want that cab but my issue is the size... well actually my issue is a lack of a man cave The people that mentioned to you that there is no difference do they have a Butterslax head? I'm thinking that Thump knob will directly affect those 15" fullbacks.

 

[LunatiBSW]

I'm told the difference isn't at all noticeable with the 15"s unless you're well past noon on the MV and moving tonnes of air. Otherwise, the differences in tonal quality are more to do with the G12H30 drivers than anything else.

Thoughts??

Really? I totally want that cab but my issue is the size... well actually my issue is a lack of a man cave The people that mentioned to you that there is no difference do they have a Butterslax head? I'm thinking that Thump knob will directly affect those 15" fullbacks.

The 15 and deep knob go hand in hand.
I'm gonna have to completely disagree saying the 15's need crazy volume to notice.
I've had extensive experience with Diezel, Bogner, and Friedman cabs. The 412:15 sounds the deepest and biggest at any volume (self or with band) with any amp comparatively. My Uber's, my diezel's, my slax all sound deeper with the 15's. Sure at super low volumes you won't notice as much. But, Saying the h30's are the only thing your pushing until super high master just wouldn't make any sense in my findings. The cab brings more volume also (from the 15's). Turning the slax up to 3-4 on the individual channel masters is insanely loud. Like your ears will be ringing for at least an hour.
The 15's can take all the thump you can throw at it and remain focused and DEEP.
The Uber's I played through it sounded light years better than the uberkab I had also, so I sold it

 

[JerEvil]

I'm told the difference isn't at all noticeable with the 15"s unless you're well past noon on the MV and moving tonnes of air. Otherwise, the differences in tonal quality are more to do with the G12H30 drivers than anything else.

Thoughts??

Really? I totally want that cab but my issue is the size... well actually my issue is a lack of a man cave The people that mentioned to you that there is no difference do they have a Butterslax head? I'm thinking that Thump knob will directly affect those 15" fullbacks.

The 15 and deep knob go hand in hand.
I'm gonna have to completely disagree saying the 15's need crazy volume to notice.
I've had extensive experience with Diezel, Bogner, and Friedman cabs. The 412:15 sounds the deepest and biggest at any volume (self or with band) with any amp comparatively. My Uber's, my diezel's, my slax all sound deeper with the 15's. Sure at super low volumes you won't notice as much. But, Saying the h30's are the only thing your pushing until super high master just wouldn't make any sense in my findings. The cab brings more volume also (from the 15's). Turning the slax up to 3-4 on the individual channel masters is insanely loud. Like your ears will be ringing for at least an hour.
The 15's can take all the thump you can throw at it and remain focused and DEEP.
The Uber's I played through it sounded light years better than the uberkab I had also, so I sold it

Yes this amp is insanely loud! Lol! It's funny when you look at the knob position when it "feels cranked" and see your at 3... insanity! But also sounds stellar at conversational volume.

 

[Ventura]

I'm told the difference isn't at all noticeable with the 15"s unless you're well past noon on the MV and moving tonnes of air. Otherwise, the differences in tonal quality are more to do with the G12H30 drivers than anything else.

Thoughts??

Really? I totally want that cab but my issue is the size... well actually my issue is a lack of a man cave The people that mentioned to you that there is no difference do they have a Butterslax head? I'm thinking that Thump knob will directly affect those 15" fullbacks.

Yes, they have the Slax head, cabs, etc. I'm just trying to look at this pragmatically as well - as in - the sensitivity of the cones, the frequency response, etc. and I'm just not feeling the scientific logic behind the 15" other than it's a cool thing to have 15" in your 412, er, 41215. I mean - if ya wanna throw a wrench into this theory, why are so many bass cabinets loaded with 10" cones. I don't get the 15" purpose - other than air. The G12H55(??) has the same low end response capabilities with an extended high-range, and it's still a 12" speaker.

No biggy either way - I'm pumped for those with the 41215, I'm looking into one, I've happy with my cabs currently, and just trying to get a sense of this behemoth cab's necessity. If at all.

 

[Ventura]

Let's talk - we could get this off the ground stat!! Maybe even do an IPO.

You used to be a recruiter for the Church of Scientology.... huh.

Build it up, do an IPO, then cash-out and disappear into the wind!
Yeah, we all love the "get rich quick off scamming others" scheme!



Hey, "jobs" are non-existent now. It's ALL a "scam based" economy anyway.

You and I are starting to get along JUST fine...

I knew scientology was going to be brought up as soon as I typed "next level". I knew there was going to be an astute reader who'd connect the dots on that one.

Personally I prefer to study under Zappa's "First Church of Appliantology, via L. Ron Hoover". Where members get to "plook" German made vacuum cleaners

 

[JerEvil]

Let's talk - we could get this off the ground stat!! Maybe even do an IPO.

You used to be a recruiter for the Church of Scientology.... huh.

Build it up, do an IPO, then cash-out and disappear into the wind!
Yeah, we all love the "get rich quick off scamming others" scheme!



Hey, "jobs" are non-existent now. It's ALL a "scam based" economy anyway.

You and I are starting to get along JUST fine...

I knew scientology was going to be brought up as soon as I typed "next level". I knew there was going to be an astute reader who'd connect the dots on that one.

Personally I prefer to study under Zappa's "First Church of Appliantology, via L. Ron Hoover". Where members get to "plook" German made vacuum cleaners

I am more a fan of the works of L. Ron McKenzie personally...

 

[LunatiBSW]

I'm not trying to sell anyone else on the cab. Just give my experience since it's the most expensive Friedman cab out, and it's also very unique. As in, most stores don't have them to try. I bought it because it brought something new to the table. I will say I'm super pleased I did. The cab sounds awesome and different from anything out there. I've had it over a year, and everything is broke in, and it is flat out amazing devastating.
Subwoofers and bass freq, that's a whole new/different ballgame. But I see the logic in thinking. End of the day, I love this cab. The 15's made a difference for me, even at home volumes.

I think the theory behind the cab is the h30's for the color and aggressiveness. The 15's for the high headroom and to handle lower tuning, but also offer some extended low end. From my experience.
The sensitivity is actually 1 db lower on the 15 fullback than the 12" h30 from celestion. Meaning more sensitive correct?

 

[Ventura]

The sensitivity is actually 1 db lower on the 15 fullback than the 12" h30 from celestion. Meaning more sensitive correct?

No, not necessarily. It means - theoretically - that when the speaker is fed 1W of power at [usually] 1KHz of frequency, it should throw off 99dB at 1m distance from the speaker.

A speaker with 97dB sensitivity will throw 97dB of SPL (sound pressure level) or decibels, at 1 meter distance from the speaker, when it's fed 1W of power at a frequency of [usually] 1KHz. A 100dB sensitivity speaker will throw 100dB of SPL/volume at 1 meter with 1W of power.

SPL in dBs isn't linear, per se. a difference of 3dB is almost twice the SPL in overall volume. So - in effect - if you were at a venue listening to "something" that was rated at 97dB, if that venue turned everything up to hit 100dB it would be "perceivably" twice as loud. Crazy eh??

Now, where this gets weird is the interaction of speakers within a cab, within a room, the projection and sonic dispersion, the amp and the frequencies being generated by said amp and instrument, etc. I am very VERY intrigued at the notion of this 15" equipped cabinet, but more from a pragmatic/scientific perspective - not a novelty perspective. I can see how it would move more air - this is a given. But the range, as mentioned, can be duplicated with a total lightweight G12H55 speaker. So the diameter of the cone is there for "something" I am sure, air most certainly, but what else, I do not know. Furthermore, the heavier the magnet, the more support is required in the spider/cone/basket/coil construction. Is it more sensitive? Is it more efficient? Is it louder? All these things are hard to comment on as the speaker is either going to have to be tested under isolated parameters (totally useless in a real world application even if it is interesting), or it's combined with other speakers in a large box known as a cab, and how everything works in unison is the true litmus test. There are many X factors to the science behind "sonics".

But Lunati, I'm very intrigued to say the least... Very.