Best effects for High Gain Rhythm

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Hi Guys,

I have plenty of amps but rarely use any effects. I play higher gain stuff, but on the rhythm side (no real lead work). I know players tend to add a touch of delay. What else are you guys doing to add to your tone? I was thinking if might be fun to mess around with an FX processor of some sort.

Thanks!
John
 
I run W/D/W and I have two SDE-3000 delays. One is set for 500ms delay and the other is set for 250ms delay. On both I set Feedback=11, Out=30, Rate=40, Depth=8. Sounds Awesome! A little bit of modulation and the stereo delay back in the mix Left and Right from the dry amp tone in the center cab...

Sometimes I'll run the same, but make the Rate=0 and Depth=0 on both units and kick on an Eventide Pitchfactor set to the Stereo Micropitchshift preset. The preset gives a +9 cents Left and -9 cents Right shift that then goes through the two delays. It really thickens up rhythm tones if you don't overdo it and mush things out.

So, yeah, - delay/modulation and delay/micropitchshift (sometimes) on rhythms. Not much else. W/D/W is crazy good sounding…

Steve
 
Delay for thickness and a boost for the super tight chuggy saturated stuff.

The multiFX are fun for a while, but unless you spend real money they always end up an expensive doorstop for me as the tones just don't match up to dedicated pedals.
 
I've never used delay on crunchy rhythm, now you've got me interested! Sah5150, you don't happen to have a sample of yours for this do ya?
 
If it's straight up high gain, nothing! I used to use a spot of stereo chorus or detune years back for more of that multi-tracked kinda sound, but that was with crapper equipment and when the amps and basic sound got better the effects were removed. For straight heavy the only thing I'd use is maybe a boost for different flavours (lots of recorded metal stuff uses a tubescreamer into the amp as it adds a certain kinda sound, although something I've personally barely toyed with).

If I'm doing proper delay parts then sure, delay, or other sounds then I could use anything tbh, but that's when I want it purposefully "effecty". There's no hidden subtle effects on my high gain straight rhythm sound apart from in rare occasions when I add a tiny dab of reverb if I want it to sound bigger (at the cost of less tight and in your face).

Or fuzz! Sometimes it's fuzz o'clock and I want fuzz instead of amp distortion for that more pumpkins kinda sound. Diezel Herbert high gain is like sleeping with a really beautiful and intelligent girlfriend. Fuzz is more like a night with a really really dirty hooker: not how you wanna live normally, but sometimes it can probably give you something nasty you just can't get any other way. :lol: :LOL:

These delay suggestions sound interesting though. Maybe I should experiment more with subtle delays.
 
My heavy rhythm parts are either bone dry or have a touch of pitch shift. Depends on my mood.
 
Bone dry here too. Anything else just makes it less defined.
 
I run a slight bit of delay using a Flashback and have also recently experimented with some of the Tone Prints.
 
Crunchity":2qihvu97 said:
I've never used delay on crunchy rhythm, now you've got me interested! Sah5150, you don't happen to have a sample of yours for this do ya?
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Sure - just listen to the clip on the bottom of this page. It is called HENNING PLEXROD 100 WALK THROUGH:

http://henningamps.com/audio

There is a lot of talking on the clip because it is a walk-through of an amp, but just find the parts when I'm playing. This is all W/D/W with stereo micropitchshift and stereo 250ms/500ms delays. It is hard to capture what it sounds like in the room - I used a little mini-recorder - but it gives an idea. It sounds amazing in the room…

Steve
 
sah5150":1rin0209 said:
I run W/D/W and I have two SDE-3000 delays. One is set for 500ms delay and the other is set for 250ms delay. On both I set Feedback=11, Out=30, Rate=40, Depth=8. Sounds Awesome! A little bit of modulation and the stereo delay back in the mix Left and Right from the dry amp tone in the center cab...

Sometimes I'll run the same, but make the Rate=0 and Depth=0 on both units and kick on an Eventide Pitchfactor set to the Stereo Micropitchshift preset. The preset gives a +9 cents Left and -9 cents Right shift that then goes through the two delays. It really thickens up rhythm tones if you don't overdo it and mush things out.

So, yeah, - delay/modulation and delay/micropitchshift (sometimes) on rhythms. Not much else. W/D/W is crazy good sounding…

Steve
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This is exactly the way I do it. It never gets muddy because you always have the dry signal in the mix.
 
Me":2o5t25jd said:
If it's straight up high gain, nothing! I used to use a spot of stereo chorus or detune years back for more of that multi-tracked kinda sound, but that was with crapper equipment and when the amps and basic sound got better the effects were removed. For straight heavy the only thing I'd use is maybe a boost for different flavours (lots of recorded metal stuff uses a tubescreamer into the amp as it adds a certain kinda sound, although something I've personally barely toyed with).

If I'm doing proper delay parts then sure, delay, or other sounds then I could use anything tbh, but that's when I want it purposefully "effecty". There's no hidden subtle effects on my high gain straight rhythm sound apart from in rare occasions when I add a tiny dab of reverb if I want it to sound bigger (at the cost of less tight and in your face).

Or fuzz! Sometimes it's fuzz o'clock and I want fuzz instead of amp distortion for that more pumpkins kinda sound. Diezel Herbert high gain is like sleeping with a really beautiful and intelligent girlfriend. Fuzz is more like a night with a really really dirty hooker: not how you wanna live normally, but sometimes it can probably give you something nasty you just can't get any other way. :lol: :LOL:

These delay suggestions sound interesting though. Maybe I should experiment more with subtle delays.
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this
 
I dunna use anything. I like the sound of my amps as-is. I like to play dry in general, so I can hear my mistakes. I tend to think delay or whatever your flavor is, covers up mistakes, and it personally make me play lazy/sloppy. In a perfect world, I want to play totally dry, and have a killer sound man add effects as needed. Anytime a run across a really good sound dude, they seem to appreciate me playing dry, and end up making the band, (and my guitar) sound like a millions bucks. :thumbsup:
 
sah5150":2z5c4246 said:
Crunchity":2z5c4246 said:
I've never used delay on crunchy rhythm, now you've got me interested! Sah5150, you don't happen to have a sample of yours for this do ya?
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Sure - just listen to the clip on the bottom of this page. It is called HENNING PLEXROD 100 WALK THROUGH:

http://henningamps.com/audio

There is a lot of talking on the clip because it is a walk-through of an amp, but just find the parts when I'm playing. This is all W/D/W with stereo micropitchshift and stereo 250ms/500ms delays. It is hard to capture what it sounds like in the room - I used a little mini-recorder - but it gives an idea. It sounds amazing in the room…

Steve
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Very nice!! I like it. It has a sorta 'verb splash' feel to it, only not as dramatic, more even I suppose. Thanks for the link and sample!
 
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