Best mutil fx

[Exo-metal]

Another thread got me thinking. What's the best multi fx in the loop, over $500 and not a modeling unit...

 

[LP Freak]

My vote goes to the FX8

 

[Exo-metal]

Wow, that looks really nice.

 

[jdel77]

G System.
Nothing sounds as fat or rich.
I've sold off a bunch of my vintage analogue FX since I've had mine.

 

[Exo-metal]

I still use my G-Force with a huge dynamic range, I would assume the g-system has a similar range. I've heard the argument that some people can hear a tone loss but I can't hear anywhere the range we're talking about, 20Hz-20K if I remember correctly.

 

[phil b]

Eventide H8000 can pretty much cover what your looking for.. including the over $500 price tag.
The Eclipse also sounds pretty killer as well.

 

[journeyman73]

Eventide H8000 can pretty much cover what your looking for.. including the over $500 price tag.
The Eclipse also sounds pretty killer as well.

ive always wondered - for a simple guitar rack (at whatever audio fidelity that implies) - is an h8000fw completely wasted?

i get that its a phenomenal professional audio piece of equipment - but does that really translate to better quality effects when getting a guitar signal and being put thru an amp loop and then guitar speaker cabs??

 

[jdel77]

I still use my G-Force with a huge dynamic range, I would assume the g-system has a similar range. I've heard the argument that some people can hear a tone loss but I can't hear anywhere the range we're talking about, 20Hz-20K if I remember correctly.

I've never had tone loss with the G System.

 

[sgill72]

I vote Line 6 Helix or Helix LT. The interface isn't as cumbersome as the Fractal units and you don't have to use the modeling. That said, it's there in case your amp goes down.

I use mine in the 4CM and couldn't be happier.

 

[phil b]

Eventide H8000 can pretty much cover what your looking for.. including the over $500 price tag.
The Eclipse also sounds pretty killer as well.

ive always wondered - for a simple guitar rack (at whatever audio fidelity that implies) - is an h8000fw completely wasted?

i get that its a phenomenal professional audio piece of equipment - but does that really translate to better quality effects when getting a guitar signal and being put thru an amp loop and then guitar speaker cabs??

While I really wouldnt use it in a guitar rig because I personally think its a little much, there are guys who use it and swear by it. From what I understand the engine is more powerful than the Eclipse. I guess it really depends on how much the effects are part of your core sound. Guys who do ambient type music would benefit greatly over say someone like myself who use minimal effects {but still have a 12u rack }
That said, if I had the cash I would 2 of them!

 

[squank]

I vote Line 6 Helix or Helix LT. The interface isn't as cumbersome as the Fractal units and you don't have to use the modeling. That said, it's there in case your amp goes down.

I use mine in the 4CM and couldn't be happier.

This. Or even a POD HD500x. Much cheaper, has great effects, and as above, has decent amp tones if your rig dies at a show. 4 cable method works great with these, too. Expression pedal build in, like the Helix.

 

[ChurchHill]

Eventide H8000 can pretty much cover what your looking for.. including the over $500 price tag.
The Eclipse also sounds pretty killer as well.

ive always wondered - for a simple guitar rack (at whatever audio fidelity that implies) - is an h8000fw completely wasted? i get that its a phenomenal professional audio piece of equipment - but does that really translate to better quality effects when getting a guitar signal and being put thru an amp loop and then guitar speaker cabs??

While I really wouldnt use it in a guitar rig because I personally think its a little much, there are guys who use it and swear by it. From what I understand the engine is more powerful than the Eclipse. I guess it really depends on how much the effects are part of your core sound. Guys who do ambient type music would benefit greatly over say someone like myself who use minimal effects {but still have a 12u rack }

I wouldn't call an H8000FW a complete waste in a guitar rig. Sure, it could likely cover all of the effects for the entire band without breaking a sweat, but... you get insane versatility and studio quality conversion. To my ears, it does translate into better quality effects, even in an amp loop.

Having said that, I agree with phil b that the Eclipse sounds phenomenal, too. It's much more oriented towards use in a guitar rack, easier to use, excellent convertors, and while it's not as powerful as the H8000FW, is still more than versatile enough for just about anyone's rig. IIRC, it was original designed and marketed as a replacement for the H3000s that were in so many guitar racks.

Disclaimer... I don't have an H8000FW, but I do have an Eclipse, an H3000DSE, a GTR4000, and all of the Factor pedals. It's probably safe to say I like Eventides...

 

[stratjacket]

Eventide H9 has my vote. I have tried a ton of things and it’s the only thing that I sold, regretted and bought again. Love the algorithms combining Reverb, delay, pitch, etc..and the quality is the real deal.

It also seems Eventide has the market cornered on Micropitch, which is my favorite loop based effect.

 

[journeyman73]

Eventide H8000 can pretty much cover what your looking for.. including the over $500 price tag.
The Eclipse also sounds pretty killer as well.

ive always wondered - for a simple guitar rack (at whatever audio fidelity that implies) - is an h8000fw completely wasted? i get that its a phenomenal professional audio piece of equipment - but does that really translate to better quality effects when getting a guitar signal and being put thru an amp loop and then guitar speaker cabs??

While I really wouldnt use it in a guitar rig because I personally think its a little much, there are guys who use it and swear by it. From what I understand the engine is more powerful than the Eclipse. I guess it really depends on how much the effects are part of your core sound. Guys who do ambient type music would benefit greatly over say someone like myself who use minimal effects {but still have a 12u rack }

I wouldn't call an H8000FW a complete waste in a guitar rig. Sure, it could likely cover all of the effects for the entire band without breaking a sweat, but... you get insane versatility and studio quality conversion. To my ears, it does translate into better quality effects, even in an amp loop.

Having said that, I agree with phil b that the Eclipse sounds phenomenal, too. It's much more oriented towards use in a guitar rack, easier to use, excellent convertors, and while it's not as powerful as the H8000FW, is still more than versatile enough for just about anyone's rig. IIRC, it was original designed and marketed as a replacement for the H3000s that were in so many guitar racks.

Disclaimer... I don't have an H8000FW, but I do have an Eclipse, an H3000DSE, a GTR4000, and all of the Factor pedals. It's probably safe to say I like Eventides...

Interesting...

See, at first i was thinking the axe is probably good enough...but then i worried that the quality of effects might be even better in something loke an Eclipse... any thoughts on that?

But now im also thinking 'gee, if there really IS a discernible difference between the h8000 and the Eclipse, even in a guitar rig, id really like to get the highest quality/best effects i could get!!!'

 

[Zachman]

Eventide H8000 can pretty much cover what your looking for.. including the over $500 price tag.
The Eclipse also sounds pretty killer as well.

ive always wondered - for a simple guitar rack (at whatever audio fidelity that implies) - is an h8000fw completely wasted? i get that its a phenomenal professional audio piece of equipment - but does that really translate to better quality effects when getting a guitar signal and being put thru an amp loop and then guitar speaker cabs??

While I really wouldnt use it in a guitar rig because I personally think its a little much, there are guys who use it and swear by it. From what I understand the engine is more powerful than the Eclipse. I guess it really depends on how much the effects are part of your core sound. Guys who do ambient type music would benefit greatly over say someone like myself who use minimal effects {but still have a 12u rack }

I wouldn't call an H8000FW a complete waste in a guitar rig. Sure, it could likely cover all of the effects for the entire band without breaking a sweat, but... you get insane versatility and studio quality conversion. To my ears, it does translate into better quality effects, even in an amp loop.

Having said that, I agree with phil b that the Eclipse sounds phenomenal, too. It's much more oriented towards use in a guitar rack, easier to use, excellent convertors, and while it's not as powerful as the H8000FW, is still more than versatile enough for just about anyone's rig. IIRC, it was original designed and marketed as a replacement for the H3000s that were in so many guitar racks.

Disclaimer... I don't have an H8000FW, but I do have an Eclipse, an H3000DSE, a GTR4000, and all of the Factor pedals. It's probably safe to say I like Eventides...

Interesting...

See, at first i was thinking the axe is probably good enough...but then i worried that the quality of effects might be even better in something loke an Eclipse... any thoughts on that?

But now im also thinking 'gee, if there really IS a discernible difference between the h8000 and the Eclipse, even in a guitar rig, id really like to get the highest quality/best effects i could get!!!'

Eventide H8000FW, and Eventide H9000 Huge difference between the Eclipse and H8000FW

 

[ChurchHill]

Sorry... I've never had an AxeFX to compare directly to an Eclipse. The AxeFX is certainly no slouch in the quality department and may be easier to use. (The Eclipse has been around for about 15-20 years now, IIRC.) Eventide's updated the Eclipse over the years, but the UI hasn't really changed much. I don't find it difficult to use at all, but it's menu driven with a 2-line text display.

I forget what the actual comparison is, but having the H8000 would be the equivalent of having at least four Eclipses. The quality of the A/D/D/A convertors wouldn't be a huge improvement, but versatility would go through the roof. The H8000 is capable of putting all of its processing power into one algorithm. So, effects quality could be considerably better, depending on the complexity of the algorithm in use.

If you really want to go all out, how about the H9000? Total overkill for a guitar rig, but that doesn't stop me from wanting one. It's supposed to start shipping this spring, has a graphical full-color display, and four quad-core processors. For effects, I can't think of anything that could be better (just my opinion).

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/H9000

Honestly, you couldn't go wrong with any of these processors. From what I've read, the AxeFX is basically a modeller, even for effects, and the Eventides aren't. They all seem to have enough CPU to do what they do exceedingly well, and they all sound amazing. It basically comes down to what sounds better to you, what works better for you, and how much you want to spend, you know?

 

[journeyman73]

Sorry... I've never had an AxeFX to compare directly to an Eclipse. The AxeFX is certainly no slouch in the quality department and may be easier to use. (The Eclipse has been around for about 15-20 years now, IIRC.) Eventide's updated the Eclipse over the years, but the UI hasn't really changed much. I don't find it difficult to use at all, but it's menu driven with a 2-line text display.

I forget what the actual comparison is, but having the H8000 would be the equivalent of having at least four Eclipses. The quality of the A/D/D/A convertors wouldn't be a huge improvement, but versatility would go through the roof. The H8000 is capable of putting all of its processing power into one algorithm. So, effects quality could be considerably better, depending on the complexity of the algorithm in use.

If you really want to go all out, how about the H9000? Total overkill for a guitar rig, but that doesn't stop me from wanting one. It's supposed to start shipping this spring, has a graphical full-color display, and four quad-core processors. For effects, I can't think of anything that could be better (just my opinion).

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/H9000

Honestly, you couldn't go wrong with any of these processors. From what I've read, the AxeFX is basically a modeller, even for effects, and the Eventides aren't. They all seem to have enough CPU to do what they do exceedingly well, and they all sound amazing. It basically comes down to what sounds better to you, what works better for you, and how much you want to spend, you know?

I have noticed the h9000 and it does look incredible! Part of me would feel a little foolish getting an h8000 with the replacement out...on the other hand, i do wonder if should wait a while for the h9000 bugs/etc to get worked out.

re: axe being a modeller vs eventide using algos...arent algos what is used to model (ie isnt the underlying technology across all of these units the same)?

 

[Zachman]

Sorry... I've never had an AxeFX to compare directly to an Eclipse. The AxeFX is certainly no slouch in the quality department and may be easier to use. (The Eclipse has been around for about 15-20 years now, IIRC.) Eventide's updated the Eclipse over the years, but the UI hasn't really changed much. I don't find it difficult to use at all, but it's menu driven with a 2-line text display.

I forget what the actual comparison is, but having the H8000 would be the equivalent of having at least four Eclipses. The quality of the A/D/D/A convertors wouldn't be a huge improvement, but versatility would go through the roof. The H8000 is capable of putting all of its processing power into one algorithm. So, effects quality could be considerably better, depending on the complexity of the algorithm in use.

If you really want to go all out, how about the H9000? Total overkill for a guitar rig, but that doesn't stop me from wanting one. It's supposed to start shipping this spring, has a graphical full-color display, and four quad-core processors. For effects, I can't think of anything that could be better (just my opinion).

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/H9000

Honestly, you couldn't go wrong with any of these processors. From what I've read, the AxeFX is basically a modeller, even for effects, and the Eventides aren't. They all seem to have enough CPU to do what they do exceedingly well, and they all sound amazing. It basically comes down to what sounds better to you, what works better for you, and how much you want to spend, you know?

I use an H8000FW as one of the units in a 20 space w/d/w rack rig, and it is brilliant. I LOVE overkill because I find it's more useful to have more and not need it than to need more and not have it. One can always program subtle too.

 

[ChurchHill]

Eventide H8000FW, and Eventide H9000 Huge difference between the Eclipse and H8000FW

 

[ChurchHill]

I use an H8000FW as one of the units in a 20 space w/d/w rack rig, and it is brilliant. I LOVE overkill because I find it's more useful to have more and not need it than to need more and not have it. One can always program subtle too.

Exactly! Better to have it and not need it than not have it when you do need it.