Best mutil fx

[Zachman]

Sorry... I've never had an AxeFX to compare directly to an Eclipse. The AxeFX is certainly no slouch in the quality department and may be easier to use. (The Eclipse has been around for about 15-20 years now, IIRC.) Eventide's updated the Eclipse over the years, but the UI hasn't really changed much. I don't find it difficult to use at all, but it's menu driven with a 2-line text display.

I forget what the actual comparison is, but having the H8000 would be the equivalent of having at least four Eclipses. The quality of the A/D/D/A convertors wouldn't be a huge improvement, but versatility would go through the roof. The H8000 is capable of putting all of its processing power into one algorithm. So, effects quality could be considerably better, depending on the complexity of the algorithm in use.

If you really want to go all out, how about the H9000? Total overkill for a guitar rig, but that doesn't stop me from wanting one. It's supposed to start shipping this spring, has a graphical full-color display, and four quad-core processors. For effects, I can't think of anything that could be better (just my opinion).

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/H9000

Honestly, you couldn't go wrong with any of these processors. From what I've read, the AxeFX is basically a modeller, even for effects, and the Eventides aren't. They all seem to have enough CPU to do what they do exceedingly well, and they all sound amazing. It basically comes down to what sounds better to you, what works better for you, and how much you want to spend, you know?

I have noticed the h9000 and it does look incredible! Part of me would feel a little foolish getting an h8000 with the replacement out...on the other hand, i do wonder if should wait a while for the h9000 bugs/etc to get worked out.

re: axe being a modeller vs eventide using algos...arent algos what is used to model (ie isnt the underlying technology across all of these units the same)?

The main difference is the Eventide H8000 is an open architecture, in other words you can create your own effects with it. Italo is THE man to ask about the technical issues in that regard. Send him a pm, he's a member here.

No, the underlying technology isn't the same. You also can run dolby 5.1 surround w/ an H8000 (Talk about overkill), but not w/ the AxeFX, and then there's the interface I/O's NOTHING touches the Big Eventides in that regard either.

I've been using the H8000FW for nearly 10 years (Got it in 2006, but didn't integrate into rig until 2009), and I can tell you I will NEVER EVER get to the point that it feels obsolete.

 

[ChurchHill]

I have noticed the h9000 and it does look incredible! Part of me would feel a little foolish getting an h8000 with the replacement out...on the other hand, i do wonder if should wait a while for the h9000 bugs/etc to get worked out.

Eventide's always been good about responding to user feedback, and more importantly, getting bug fixes out quickly.

re: axe being a modeller vs eventide using algos...arent algos what is used to model (ie isnt the underlying technology across all of these units the same)?

The main difference is the Eventide H8000 is an open architecture, in other words you can create your own effects with it. Italo is THE man to ask about the technical issues in that regard. Send him a pm, he's a member here.

I've been using the H8000FW for nearly 10 years (Got it in 2006, but didn't integrate into rig until 2009), and I can tell you I will NEVER EVER get to the point that it feels obsolete.

Yeah... Italo is THE man.
http://www.italodeangelis.com/it/eventi ... her_stuff/

Although I don't have the H8000, I agree with Zachman. I will never feel that my H3000 or GTR4000 is obsolete. There is just so much that they can do, there's always something fresh and inspiring.

 

[Zachman]

I have noticed the h9000 and it does look incredible! Part of me would feel a little foolish getting an h8000 with the replacement out...on the other hand, i do wonder if should wait a while for the h9000 bugs/etc to get worked out.

Eventide's always been good about responding to user feedback, and more importantly, getting bug fixes out quickly.

re: axe being a modeller vs eventide using algos...arent algos what is used to model (ie isnt the underlying technology across all of these units the same)?

The main difference is the Eventide H8000 is an open architecture, in other words you can create your own effects with it. Italo is THE man to ask about the technical issues in that regard. Send him a pm, he's a member here.

I've been using the H8000FW for nearly 10 years (Got it in 2006, but didn't integrate into rig until 2009), and I can tell you I will NEVER EVER get to the point that it feels obsolete.

Yeah... Italo is THE man.
http://www.italodeangelis.com/it/eventi ... her_stuff/

Although I don't have the H8000, I agree with Zachman. I will never feel that my H3000 or GTR4000 is obsolete. There is just so much that they can do, there's always something fresh and inspiring.

Yes, that being said, the other side of the equation and just as important, imo-- is knowing that it's a mere tool to accomplish a goal/goals. It is in this area that I see a lot of players get sidetracked. KNOWING what one is after in the 1st place is REALLY important, when it comes time to choose to use fx (Individually or incorporating several fx together to get a NET overall result).

 

[Anonymous]

if I had a rack based system, I would have an Eventide rack unit in it 10000%

 

[Zachman]

if I had a rack based system, I would have an Eventide rack unit in it 10000%

Their pedals are awesome too, and when I build my next rig (Smaller) I will definitely incorporate the H9 in it (On a pedal tray).

 

[journeyman73]

I have noticed the h9000 and it does look incredible! Part of me would feel a little foolish getting an h8000 with the replacement out...on the other hand, i do wonder if should wait a while for the h9000 bugs/etc to get worked out.

Eventide's always been good about responding to user feedback, and more importantly, getting bug fixes out quickly.

re: axe being a modeller vs eventide using algos...arent algos what is used to model (ie isnt the underlying technology across all of these units the same)?

The main difference is the Eventide H8000 is an open architecture, in other words you can create your own effects with it. Italo is THE man to ask about the technical issues in that regard. Send him a pm, he's a member here.

I've been using the H8000FW for nearly 10 years (Got it in 2006, but didn't integrate into rig until 2009), and I can tell you I will NEVER EVER get to the point that it feels obsolete.

Yeah... Italo is THE man.
http://www.italodeangelis.com/it/eventi ... her_stuff/

Although I don't have the H8000, I agree with Zachman. I will never feel that my H3000 or GTR4000 is obsolete. There is just so much that they can do, there's always something fresh and inspiring.

Yes, that being said, the other side of the equation and just as important, imo-- is knowing that it's a mere tool to accomplish a goal/goals. It is in this area that I see a lot of players get sidetracked. KNOWING what one is after in the 1st place is REALLY important, when it comes time to choose to use fx (Individually or incorporating several fx together to get a NET overall result).

Just want the best sounding effects (ie lush, rich, deep, authentic) i can get in a live rig with a real tube amp and cab

 

[Zachman]

I have noticed the h9000 and it does look incredible! Part of me would feel a little foolish getting an h8000 with the replacement out...on the other hand, i do wonder if should wait a while for the h9000 bugs/etc to get worked out.

Eventide's always been good about responding to user feedback, and more importantly, getting bug fixes out quickly.

re: axe being a modeller vs eventide using algos...arent algos what is used to model (ie isnt the underlying technology across all of these units the same)?

The main difference is the Eventide H8000 is an open architecture, in other words you can create your own effects with it. Italo is THE man to ask about the technical issues in that regard. Send him a pm, he's a member here.

I've been using the H8000FW for nearly 10 years (Got it in 2006, but didn't integrate into rig until 2009), and I can tell you I will NEVER EVER get to the point that it feels obsolete.

Yeah... Italo is THE man.
http://www.italodeangelis.com/it/eventi ... her_stuff/

Although I don't have the H8000, I agree with Zachman. I will never feel that my H3000 or GTR4000 is obsolete. There is just so much that they can do, there's always something fresh and inspiring.

Yes, that being said, the other side of the equation and just as important, imo-- is knowing that it's a mere tool to accomplish a goal/goals. It is in this area that I see a lot of players get sidetracked. KNOWING what one is after in the 1st place is REALLY important, when it comes time to choose to use fx (Individually or incorporating several fx together to get a NET overall result).

Just want the best sounding effects (ie lush, rich, deep, authentic) i can get in a live rig with a real tube amp and cab

Can't really go wrong w/ the Big Eventides, though you're going to need to learn to program your intended results.

https://soundcloud.com/mentoneman/zachrack-10-30-16

 

[stratjacket]

I believe everything said about the H9000 and all the H* models, as well as the eclipse. No doubt great units and if rack is the way, then it’s great.

To me the H9 is just perfect in the Eventide lineup for guitar, has more than I’ll ever tweak and sounds amazing. And even the H9 Max is about a quarter the cost of the eclipse and 1/8 of the cost of H* rack series looking at current Reverb prices.

 

[ChurchHill]

Just want the best sounding effects (ie lush, rich, deep, authentic) i can get in a live rig with a real tube amp and cab

I think Zachman really hit on the important part earlier about effects, amps, etc., just being tools to accomplish an established goal. So, in that regard, can I ask a few questions?

So, this is for a live rig, right? What amp/cab/guitar are you playing? What kinds of music?

What kinds of effects are you interested in? One effect at once (e.g. modulation, delay, or reverb, one at a time) or multiple effects at once (e.g. modulation, and delay, and reverb, all at once)? Do you use effects sparingly, only for short sections of a song, or do you use effects to create atmospheres in major sections of songs?

Will your live rig also be used for recording, band practice, home practice, songwriting?

What are the main effects you're interested in, the ones uses can't live without?

 

[Zachman]

Just want the best sounding effects (ie lush, rich, deep, authentic) i can get in a live rig with a real tube amp and cab

I think Zachman really hit on the important part earlier about effects, amps, etc., just being tools to accomplish an established goal. So, in that regard, can I ask a few questions?

So, this is for a live rig, right? What amp/cab/guitar are you playing? What kinds of music?

What kinds of effects are you interested in? One effect at once (e.g. modulation, delay, or reverb, one at a time) or multiple effects at once (e.g. modulation, and delay, and reverb, all at once)? Do you use effects sparingly, only for short sections of a song, or do you use effects to create atmospheres in major sections of songs?

Will your live rig also be used for recording, band practice, home practice, songwriting?

What are the main effects you're interested in, the ones uses can't live without?

ALL Excellent/Essential considerations.

Also: Mono, Stereo, Dual Mono (W/D), W/D/W, Single amp or multiple amps, FX Routing pedals in front of the amp, POST fx w/ the rack gear, shared among multiple amps, or single amp... Then there is the controller, and pedal board considerations, feeds for in ear applications, etc...

 

[italoop]

So... some good discussion about the GOOD stuff here!
To the OT... they told you... the best you can buy? H8000FW and you'll be done for decades.

About "older" Eventides in general.... yep, somebody said he doesn't get any feeling of "obsolescence" running his H3000 and GTR4000. EXACTLY!
The Eventide *rack* units have always been so much ahead of any time that you still have plenty of great stuff and features to use no other machine offers.

The H9000... wait, wait, wait. So many things unclear, big change on ARM processors (sigh!) and definitely overkill. Who needs 16 algorithms (like 8xH8000s) in guitar world?
So... after things will be clear, issues ironed out, made sure it sounds right.... and if they make a smaller version (maybe 1x4 core chip running 4 algorithms) then I can see a guitar sense in it, in general.
They'd be making a HUGE mistake not building smaller versions of this unit... losing customers.
And think...H8000 getting cheaper and running smooth? THAT'S THE DEAL!

What Zach asks to the OT in the previous post? That can be done all on the H8000... alone. (Hey Zach!)

 

[journeyman73]

Just want the best sounding effects (ie lush, rich, deep, authentic) i can get in a live rig with a real tube amp and cab

I think Zachman really hit on the important part earlier about effects, amps, etc., just being tools to accomplish an established goal. So, in that regard, can I ask a few questions?

So, this is for a live rig, right? What amp/cab/guitar are you playing? What kinds of music?

What kinds of effects are you interested in? One effect at once (e.g. modulation, delay, or reverb, one at a time) or multiple effects at once (e.g. modulation, and delay, and reverb, all at once)? Do you use effects sparingly, only for short sections of a song, or do you use effects to create atmospheres in major sections of songs?

Will your live rig also be used for recording, band practice, home practice, songwriting?

What are the main effects you're interested in, the ones uses can't live without?

Yeah, exactly - pretty much in a live rig...though my situation is a little unique.

I have a few vintage units coming shortly (ie tc2290, pcm80, tc1210 primarily...might have an h3000 coming but still working that out)...and i am not really a soundscape guy - im a big 80's guy...so, i play with various levels of gain mostly and delay reverb chorus and some pich shifting, potentially all at once but not necessarily over the top since it would get lost with the gain anyway... i do want to be able to get that wet lish clean sound though also (ie Police type stuff)...

I play mostly at home and/or with friends...so, my thought was in addition to my 'big' rack it might be useful to have a multifx unit that i can either use in combination, be more portable...or, possibly (and this would be very aspirational since i have absolutely no idea or exeprience) recording thru computer one day.

My amps are what i would consider/hope are 'good quality' amps - soldano slo, wizard, vintage hiwatt, two-rock amps for cleans..etc - very revealing and articulate amps that i am thinking would go great with high-end fx...

The physical set-up varies but the 'loop' fx would always be stereo...i run either w/d/w...or wd/wd (is that tthe proper term - basically run one amp - into fx - left back into first amp - right into power section of another amp...so, basically a faux stereo)...or sometimes run everything into the front of my two-rocks with pedals and split into the front of two amps...

So, id like to have the versatility to run in front or into the loo (not switchable, just mean depending how i set it up)...im thinking my 'big' rack will probably stay in a w/d/w configuration...and the multifx o-tion mostly used in my faux stereo and/or into the front of my two-amp setup..

I think in addition to the potential 'overkill' of something like an eclipse/h8000 vs axe fx option....i need to figure out if ANY multi-fx unit in addition to my 'big' rack would be overkill...like i say, for some reason i like the idea of having a multifx in addition to those more decidated single units but maybe im not thinking about things correctly.

The other conisderation (and why im a little wary of something like the axe fx for me) - if i have an option of 2290/1210/pcm/etc...if im ever going to use a multifx for different uses/purposes...we,, the standard for fx depth/quality would have been set pretty high! In other words, the multifx would have to 'hang' with that big rack, or else i fear id never want to use it!

Sorry for the long explanation guys..but thats kind of the context of my questions...thanks for all the help!!

 

[italoop]

Why an H8000 would be overkill, especially as a single box in your rack, vs. TC2290+TC1210+H3000+PCM80?
2 rack space vs. 6
one single power cable
a lot less audio cables
one single ui/programming interface
MIDI Virtual Racks taking care of everything
smaller rig/more powerful
high end tones and quality
4 outputs for dual stereo machines routing
4min30+ delay memory for just about anything you may need in delay times dept.
a lot of vintage units recreated in the box... and more to come

 

[phil b]

Just want the best sounding effects (ie lush, rich, deep, authentic) i can get in a live rig with a real tube amp and cab

I think Zachman really hit on the important part earlier about effects, amps, etc., just being tools to accomplish an established goal. So, in that regard, can I ask a few questions?

So, this is for a live rig, right? What amp/cab/guitar are you playing? What kinds of music?

What kinds of effects are you interested in? One effect at once (e.g. modulation, delay, or reverb, one at a time) or multiple effects at once (e.g. modulation, and delay, and reverb, all at once)? Do you use effects sparingly, only for short sections of a song, or do you use effects to create atmospheres in major sections of songs?

Will your live rig also be used for recording, band practice, home practice, songwriting?

What are the main effects you're interested in, the ones uses can't live without?

Yeah, exactly - pretty much in a live rig...though my situation is a little unique.

I have a few vintage units coming shortly (ie tc2290, pcm80, tc1210 primarily...might have an h3000 coming but still working that out)...and i am not really a soundscape guy - im a big 80's guy...so, i play with various levels of gain mostly and delay reverb chorus and some pich shifting, potentially all at once but not necessarily over the top since it would get lost with the gain anyway... i do want to be able to get that wet lish clean sound though also (ie Police type stuff)...

I play mostly at home and/or with friends...so, my thought was in addition to my 'big' rack it might be useful to have a multifx unit that i can either use in combination, be more portable...or, possibly (and this would be very aspirational since i have absolutely no idea or exeprience) recording thru computer one day.

My amps are what i would consider/hope are 'good quality' amps - soldano slo, wizard, vintage hiwatt, two-rock amps for cleans..etc - very revealing and articulate amps that i am thinking would go great with high-end fx...

The physical set-up varies but the 'loop' fx would always be stereo...i run either w/d/w...or wd/wd (is that tthe proper term - basically run one amp - into fx - left back into first amp - right into power section of another amp...so, basically a faux stereo)...or sometimes run everything into the front of my two-rocks with pedals and split into the front of two amps...

So, id like to have the versatility to run in front or into the loo (not switchable, just mean depending how i set it up)...im thinking my 'big' rack will probably stay in a w/d/w configuration...and the multifx o-tion mostly used in my faux stereo and/or into the front of my two-amp setup..

I think in addition to the potential 'overkill' of something like an eclipse/h8000 vs axe fx option....i need to figure out if ANY multi-fx unit in addition to my 'big' rack would be overkill...like i say, for some reason i like the idea of having a multifx in addition to those more decidated single units but maybe im not thinking about things correctly.

The other conisderation (and why im a little wary of something like the axe fx for me) - if i have an option of 2290/1210/pcm/etc...if im ever going to use a multifx for different uses/purposes...we,, the standard for fx depth/quality would have been set pretty high! In other words, the multifx would have to 'hang' with that big rack, or else i fear id never want to use it!

Sorry for the long explanation guys..but thats kind of the context of my questions...thanks for all the help!!

Geez, this sounds like me many years ago when I first found HRI! I was using a PCM70, PCM42, 1210 and an Intellifex. Over the years I added some pedals {Timeline and Pitchfactor} and a few others but thats been my core for a long time. I tried going AxeFx for just effects but I never really felt it was close to what I had tone wise. The SOUND of the effects just werent there for me. In all fairness this was the early AxeFx and not the current stuff. I loved the idea of multi effects but that wasnt it.
For as many and the type of effects I use today I could get away with less in the rack most likely, but like Zach has said earlier it is nice to have the power to be able to do what you want without being limited. I know the one thing I would wind up doing if I had an H8000 is I would keep pulling it out of my guitar rack and using it for recording... and that unit in my recording rig would be complete heaven.

 

[journeyman73]

Why an H8000 would be overkill, especially as a single box in your rack, vs. TC2290+TC1210+H3000+PCM80?
2 rack space vs. 6
one single power cable
a lot less audio cables
one single ui/programming interface
MIDI Virtual Racks taking care of everything
smaller rig/more powerful
high end tones and quality
4 outputs for dual stereo machines routing
4min30+ delay memory for just about anything you may need in delay times dept.
a lot of vintage units recreated in the box... and more to come

i meant overkill to have the h8000 in addition to all those other boxes cause im not giving up those other units, no matter what i do!