That's mostly my point too...Together with the fact that you can't replace the tone of the BE-OD Deluxe by just grabbing two not-ideal low and medium drive pedals. Even if you pick really good ones (unlike ahum.. the Rat and the TS9)...
lol, its ok man, thats just your opinion and you're entitled to it. And I can see you're obviously invested in all this, and more power to you. I know that when I play, it really doesnt matter that much, whether Im playing a dual overdrive or combining others.View attachment 405593
Judging from your comment, you've never played the BE-OD Deluxe.
@griff10672 please back me up on this, as a fellow pedal builder.
I've built and modded various pedals myself, including TS-ones and built a Thermionic Deluxe, WHILE owning an original Friedman BE-OD Deluxe.
A Rat is a gritty distortion PEDAL (not amp-like), bordering on fuzz at best, and the Tube Screamer is a 'dirty boost', but not a very low gain Marshall-esque amp-like sounding pedal in the least bit.
The BE-OD Deluxe *is* in fact very amp-like, and in my 30+ years of playing guitar, collecting pedals, building pedals, I've yet to find a better 2 channel amp-like 9V pedal that does the 80's modded Marshall thing so well than the BE-OD Deluxe.
To entertain you some more, these are a few of the better 2 channel pedals I've owned as well:
-AMT SS-30 Bulava ; Pretty good, but not very Marshally in its core tone, and has some raspiness to it.
-Bogner Ecstacy Blue (9V) Very good, very amp-like for stuff up to AC/DC, but lacks the gain for the higher gain stuff.
-Bogner Ecstacy Red (9V) Very good, but lacks the nuance and finesse; a bit more hairy than a BE-OD Deluxe and less apt at lower-gain settings.
-Blackstar HT-Dual; really good, with a thick sound and useable EQ range, but big, heavy and cumbersome, special PSU, tube driven.
-Hughes and Kettner Tube Factor; really nice, but lacks the gain for 80's heavy metal. More of a hard rock pedal. special PSU, tube driven (high plate voltage). Still own this one for shits n giggles.
Comparing ANY of these to 'oh, just combine a DiMarzio Very Metal and a Digitech Bad Monkey and you're good to go for your Marshally amp-like needs' just screams... lack of experience, I'm sorry to say... (because I was gonna say 'pure fuckin' ignorance'...)
Look, I won't argue that a Bad Monkey in a Fender amp has its place, tone-wise, but surely -with your experienceMe playing a Rat and an Bad Monkey into a clean fender, is really not much different from me playing into the various Tube heads Ive owned (Marshall, Engl, Boogie, Laney).
Maybe thats experience...
- putting a Rat into some clean amp hardly sounds the same to you as playing a nice modded/hotrodded Marshall, right? And this is where a good amp-like pedal delivers.
Yeah maybe, but its still the same shite phrasing and tired cliches.Look, I won't argue that a Bad Monkey in a Fender amp has its place, tone-wise, but surely -with your experience
I myself am very picky about a certain 'congestion' in the lows and low-mids and that's why I typically gravitate to Engl amps for high gain tones. And that congestion is typically heard in most drive pedals.
Talk to Griff...I had him build me a BE clone, the Tone Ripper. Compared it to the BE; and the BE as I predicted is too smooth and polite vs the TR which is MUCH more raw, open, angry.....it's no contest IF that's a part of your tone wants.
Nope. Not in my experience with a 1986 800 cab with the 2nd version T75s. The Griff TR (BE clone) sounded KILLER through it and every cab I have, which includes 6402 GBs/1966 H25s in one cab, 2 Cabs with 80s Marshall Vintages, an EVH 412, and old Altecs in another Marshall 412. In addition to the 86 with T75s.
exactly what I was thinking ....... 2 channel Tone Ripper
Yep, me too. I gigged several times with a BEOD Deluxe on the lower gain channel with a pair of Princetons with 12” speakers. Great setup! Higher gain channel on the pedal was too much for me. If I remember correctly, the internal gain pot had to be higher than I liked for it to sound full?
As a boost/OD junkie you have piqued my interest—how do you run this? In front of a clean amp or a breathing Marshall?
In front of a clean amp.
Yeah I use od boxes in front of pushed amps so apples and oranges I suppose. Old school Marshall 3 channel technique—crunch with a low gain boost in front (I never have any ODs ‘gain’ knob above 8:00), roll down the guitar vol for clean. Klon/klone, KOT, TS…for me even a good eq works well.
I should combine that circuit with something for a killer dual drive ....i had the BE-OD and the Deluxe.
they’re nice for sure but Wanye’s Atomic Punk OD pedal felt greasier and sounded more VH like, which is what i was shooting for. the BE’s are both gone.
the atomic punk lives in my rack
Your Rat or Guvnor
a Guvnor in front of a Marshall style circuit does makes some sense .... doesn't it ?
