BIG DIEZEL DAY AT GUITAR CENTER TODAY

[Les Zombie]

Ive been trying to sell my evh stealth and slash 2555 jube so i can get another VH4 and a butterslax or cantrell friedman. I played the cantrell the otherday and loved it. I owned a VH4 and miss it, and your slax clips was awesome, so now i wanna dump a couple amps i dont really play anymore and get some new stuff. Dmoll might have to get added to my list haha.

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

How else would you compare the Paul to the VH4 or Herbert? I heard it sounds small compared to those amps. Would you agree with that? Overall, I didn't like it as much as the VH4 or Herbert based on the videos of Diezel's channel, but I still may wanna try it in person. It seemed like it can't get as growly or angry/raw sounding as the VH4. The one thing that it did seem to excel at though based on his clips were leads tones on channel 3. How did you like it for leads compare to the VH4 or Herbert?

Herbert was the punchiest and had the most gut wrenching lows and a really nice eq. My favorite for sure. VH4 was up there with the Herbert on pure muscle and aggressiveness rich Diezel tone. Less lows, tighter, mids are a little more 3D. I really liked the vh4 also. They are on another level imo than the other diezels.
The Paul would be my next choice if budget was an issue. It reminded me a lot of the dmoll but clearer, some less low mids, little more sparkle or karrang, and the reverb is pretty sweet. I know there's lots of variables. But I see why the Herbert and the vh4 are priced they way they are, they are MAGICAL.
I played the Hagen for a bit, it was neat, but had lots more mids, prob not my first choice for brootz, but you could easily do it. After I played the Hagen and read Wizard of ozz description of, it was spot on, I only had about 10 min with it.
But it was hard to stop playing the herb and vh4 honestly.

+1000

Completely agree with all of this. Glad to know I'm not deaf after 20 years of rockin. Lol!!! I hear them the same way you do. The Herbert and VH4 are on another level. After jamming on both yesterday after unplugging I was like "Dam! That's why these things cost so much... but so totally worth it." Killer machines. They are the top of the Diezel line.

Other than the Herbert and VH4, I really liked the Paul as well. The Hagen does its own thing... but for metal, the Herbert is the king.

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

Ive been trying to sell my evh stealth and slash 2555 jube so i can get another VH4 and a butterslax or cantrell friedman. I played the cantrell the otherday and loved it. I owned a VH4 and miss it, and your slax clips was awesome, so now i wanna dump a couple amps i dont really play anymore and get some new stuff. Dmoll might have to get added to my list haha.

I really liked my Slash 2555SL ... really killer amp.

Since you have the Herbert, I'd skip the DMoll. The Herbert is better all around.

 

[LunatiBSW]

How else would you compare the Paul to the VH4 or Herbert? I heard it sounds small compared to those amps. Would you agree with that? Overall, I didn't like it as much as the VH4 or Herbert based on the videos of Diezel's channel, but I still may wanna try it in person. It seemed like it can't get as growly or angry/raw sounding as the VH4. The one thing that it did seem to excel at though based on his clips were leads tones on channel 3. How did you like it for leads compare to the VH4 or Herbert?

Herbert was the punchiest and had the most gut wrenching lows and a really nice eq. My favorite for sure. VH4 was up there with the Herbert on pure muscle and aggressiveness rich Diezel tone. Less lows, tighter, mids are a little more 3D. I really liked the vh4 also. They are on another level imo than the other diezels.
The Paul would be my next choice if budget was an issue. It reminded me a lot of the dmoll but clearer, some less low mids, little more sparkle or karrang, and the reverb is pretty sweet. I know there's lots of variables. But I see why the Herbert and the vh4 are priced they way they are, they are MAGICAL.
I played the Hagen for a bit, it was neat, but had lots more mids, prob not my first choice for brootz, but you could easily do it. After I played the Hagen and read Wizard of ozz description of, it was spot on, I only had about 10 min with it.
But it was hard to stop playing the herb and vh4 honestly.

+1000

Completely agree with all of this. Glad to know I'm not deaf after 20 years of rockin. Lol!!! I hear them the same way you do. The Herbert and VH4 are on another level. After jamming on both yesterday after unplugging I was like "Dam! That's why these things cost so much... but so totally worth it." Killer machines. They are the top of the Diezel line.

Other than the Herbert and VH4, I really liked the Paul as well. The Hagen does its own thing... but for metal, the Herbert is the king.

It is a nice feeling when your ears don't deceive you. Nice to hear we have similar ears

 

[moltenmetalburn]

You guys had me curious so I went a lmd played a Herbert and I still prefer D'moll. Id probably choose Herbie over Hagen though. For me it was similar with the dual vs. triple recs. I am not much a fan of headroom that large.

As primarily a live player playing along with a bass player I dont want/use/need huge bottom either. I aim to give the house a signal that needs the least filtering possible. For a clearer mix and to leave space for the bassist.

I am excited for the diezel lunchbox. That will probably be my next D.

 

[LunatiBSW]

You guys had me curious so I went a lmd played a Herbert and I still prefer D'moll. Id probably choose Herbie over Hagen though. For me it was similar with the dual vs. triple recs. I am not much a fan of headroom that large.

As primarily a live player playing along with a bass player I dont want/use/need huge bottom either. I aim to give the house a signal that needs the least filtering possible. For a clearer mix and to leave space for the bassist.

I am excited for the diezel lunchbox. That will probably be my next D.

I found dmoll seems muddy next to Herbert. I didn't get that with the dual triple rec

 

[moltenmetalburn]

You guys had me curious so I went a lmd played a Herbert and I still prefer D'moll. Id probably choose Herbie over Hagen though. For me it was similar with the dual vs. triple recs. I am not much a fan of headroom that large.

As primarily a live player playing along with a bass player I dont want/use/need huge bottom either. I aim to give the house a signal that needs the least filtering possible. For a clearer mix and to leave space for the bassist.

I am excited for the diezel lunchbox. That will probably be my next D.

I found dmoll seems muddy next to Herbert. I didn't get that with the dual triple rec

May be certainly be true but I love DARK amps so it may be why it works for me.

I send bright, carefully EQd signals into them. Tube life may also come into play.

Most guitarists would hate my live sounds, they are as close to recorded sounds as possible in terms of filtering lessening the need for filtering at FOH.

There are many D amps so we can each find our own sounds.

Enjoy Herbie\m/

 

[LunatiBSW]

You guys had me curious so I went a lmd played a Herbert and I still prefer D'moll. Id probably choose Herbie over Hagen though. For me it was similar with the dual vs. triple recs. I am not much a fan of headroom that large.

As primarily a live player playing along with a bass player I dont want/use/need huge bottom either. I aim to give the house a signal that needs the least filtering possible. For a clearer mix and to leave space for the bassist.

I am excited for the diezel lunchbox. That will probably be my next D.

I found dmoll seems muddy next to Herbert. I didn't get that with the dual triple rec

May be certainly be true but I love DARK amps so it may be why it works for me.

I send bright, carefully EQd signals into them. Tube life may also come into play.

Must guitarists would hate my live sounds, they are as close to recorded sounds as possible in terms of filtering lessening he need for filtering at FOH.

There are many D amps so we can each find our own sounds.

Enjoy Herbie\m/

Ahhhh, makes sense. That's awesome though, you seem to know a lot about filtering and all of the freq ranges, something I'd love to learn more about. I still wouldn't kick the dmoll out of bed, it's a great amp. It was the first and only Diezel I had played until a few days ago and I can totally appreciate each model amp as they are unique and awesome in their own ways. Rock on dude

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

You guys had me curious so I went a lmd played a Herbert and I still prefer D'moll. Id probably choose Herbie over Hagen though. For me it was similar with the dual vs. triple recs. I am not much a fan of headroom that large.

As primarily a live player playing along with a bass player I dont want/use/need huge bottom either. I aim to give the house a signal that needs the least filtering possible. For a clearer mix and to leave space for the bassist.

I am excited for the diezel lunchbox. That will probably be my next D.

I found dmoll seems muddy next to Herbert. I didn't get that with the dual triple rec

Definitely not as tight... nor as massive and epic sounding. The Herbert is like a wave of sonic destruction crashing in around you.

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

You guys had me curious so I went a lmd played a Herbert and I still prefer D'moll. Id probably choose Herbie over Hagen though. For me it was similar with the dual vs. triple recs. I am not much a fan of headroom that large.

As primarily a live player playing along with a bass player I dont want/use/need huge bottom either. I aim to give the house a signal that needs the least filtering possible. For a clearer mix and to leave space for the bassist.

I am excited for the diezel lunchbox. That will probably be my next D.

I found dmoll seems muddy next to Herbert. I didn't get that with the dual triple rec

May be certainly be true but I love DARK amps so it may be why it works for me.

I send bright, carefully EQd signals into them. Tube life may also come into play.

Most guitarists would hate my live sounds, they are as close to recorded sounds as possible in terms of filtering lessening the need for filtering at FOH.

There are many D amps so we can each find our own sounds.

Enjoy Herbie\m/

I'm not a fan of dark amps by any stretch. I played Marshall for a long time... so that is my basic amp reference tone. Low mids are cool... however, there's a fine line between love and hate... dark, distant, blankety, undefined, muddy amps... where I can't dial in enough presence, punch, or cut are a no go for me. Owned/sold many of those over the years.

I see the DMoll more as a first cousin of the Herbert... not immediate family.

 

[Rdodson]

I'm really having an amp crush on the Hagen right now. I play more traditional stuff than most of you guys and what that amp does is really cool. The one in the North Dallas GC has a bad tube, though. Getting the power amp "breathing" thing happening (where the volume swells and then subsides and so on).

 

[LunatiBSW]

I noticed that Hagen was quiet, figured the same thing. I got the general voice down, but it didn't have the volume of the others. You should get them to put in a new tube and take that amp home!!!!

 

[moltenmetalburn]

You guys had me curious so I went a lmd played a Herbert and I still prefer D'moll. Id probably choose Herbie over Hagen though. For me it was similar with the dual vs. triple recs. I am not much a fan of headroom that large.

As primarily a live player playing along with a bass player I dont want/use/need huge bottom either. I aim to give the house a signal that needs the least filtering possible. For a clearer mix and to leave space for the bassist.

I am excited for the diezel lunchbox. That will probably be my next D.

I found dmoll seems muddy next to Herbert. I didn't get that with the dual triple rec

May be certainly be true but I love DARK amps so it may be why it works for me.

I send bright, carefully EQd signals into them. Tube life may also come into play.

Most guitarists would hate my live sounds, they are as close to recorded sounds as possible in terms of filtering lessening the need for filtering at FOH.

There are many D amps so we can each find our own sounds.

Enjoy Herbie\m/

I'm not a fan of dark amps by any stretch. I played Marshall for a long time... so that is my basic amp reference tone. Low mids are cool... however, there's a fine line between love and hate... dark, distant, blankety, undefined, muddy amps... where I can't dial in enough presence, punch, or cut are a no go for me. Owned/sold many of those over the years.

I see the DMoll more as a first cousin of the Herbert... not immediate family.

See, we are just aiming for far different things.

I HATE the spikey bright typical marshall thing. All icepicks to my ears. I used to lean toward SLO preamp tooligy for the dark and clear highs but always preferred marshall style mids. To me D's are like the best of both.

I also agree herbie was not just a higher headroom Dmoll, bigger differences.

AFAIC I need nothing above 7k. Sometime 5k is even enough for my needs depending on the rig.

When recorded or at front of house guitar signals are severly bandpassed. For the modern metal I do its typically around 100-120hz high pass and 5-7k low pass.

I dont need or want those competing frequencies on stage at all. It just muddies the mix for no gain.

Stepping on the bassist and also the vox and cymbals frequency ranges is counterproductive to me.

I want my live band without reinforcement to sound as close to a recording of said band as possible.

I do things much differently than most for sure.

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

You guys had me curious so I went a lmd played a Herbert and I still prefer D'moll. Id probably choose Herbie over Hagen though. For me it was similar with the dual vs. triple recs. I am not much a fan of headroom that large.

As primarily a live player playing along with a bass player I dont want/use/need huge bottom either. I aim to give the house a signal that needs the least filtering possible. For a clearer mix and to leave space for the bassist.

I am excited for the diezel lunchbox. That will probably be my next D.

I found dmoll seems muddy next to Herbert. I didn't get that with the dual triple rec

May be certainly be true but I love DARK amps so it may be why it works for me.

I send bright, carefully EQd signals into them. Tube life may also come into play.

Most guitarists would hate my live sounds, they are as close to recorded sounds as possible in terms of filtering lessening the need for filtering at FOH.

There are many D amps so we can each find our own sounds.

Enjoy Herbie\m/

I'm not a fan of dark amps by any stretch. I played Marshall for a long time... so that is my basic amp reference tone. Low mids are cool... however, there's a fine line between love and hate... dark, distant, blankety, undefined, muddy amps... where I can't dial in enough presence, punch, or cut are a no go for me. Owned/sold many of those over the years.

I see the DMoll more as a first cousin of the Herbert... not immediate family.

See, we are just aiming for far different things.

I HATE the spikey bright typical marshall thing. All icepicks to my ears. I used to lean toward SLO preamp tooligy for the dark and clear highs but always preferred marshall style mids. To me D's are like the best of both.

I also agree herbie was not just a higher headroom Dmoll, bigger differences.

AFAIC I need nothing above 7k. Sometime 5k is even enough for my needs depending on the rig.

When recorded or at front of house guitar signals are severly bandpassed. For the modern metal I do its typically around 100-120hz high pass and 5-7k low pass.

I dont need or want those competing frequencies on stage at all. It just muddies the mix for no gain.

Stepping on the bassist and also the vox and cymbals frequency ranges is counterproductive to me.

I want my live band without reinforcement to sound as close to a recording of said band as possible.

I do things much differently than most for sure.

I'm also sure we are playing vastly different styles of "modern metal".

I'm doing stuff along the lines of Amon Amarth, CoB, Arch Enemy, with more power metal influence. So yeah... I want a big heavy low end chugg... but like bright, articulate, focused sound overall. If it doesn't hit me in the chest live... I'm doing it wrong. If the bassist can't hang... get a bigger amp. Different horses, for different courses.

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

I'm really having an amp crush on the Hagen right now. I play more traditional stuff than most of you guys and what that amp does is really cool. The one in the North Dallas GC has a bad tube, though. Getting the power amp "breathing" thing happening (where the volume swells and then subsides and so on).

I'm sure you'd really dig the Hagen. After listening to some of your youtube clips, the Hagen is the most "Bogner-ized" Diezel of the big 3. It has that softer lowend, and more elastic feel/attack. The mids are more abundant and Marshally as well. Hagen's Channel 2 is really nice.

 

[Rdodson]

Yeah, that "elastic" thing really sucks me in, but it also has this cool 808 => Dumble SSS thing going on as well, which I've never encountered before, where you can hit these cool, wide-intervalic chords and the whole thing is there like a pedal steel.

And I'm talking about a Diezel. I can't believe it.

Thanks for watching my vids. Regardless of whatever amp I'm playing I am going for a particular sound in my head.

I'm really having an amp crush on the Hagen right now. I play more traditional stuff than most of you guys and what that amp does is really cool. The one in the North Dallas GC has a bad tube, though. Getting the power amp "breathing" thing happening (where the volume swells and then subsides and so on).

I'm sure you'd really dig the Hagen. After listening to some of your youtube clips, the Hagen is the most "Bogner-ized" Diezel of the big 3. It has that softer lowend, and more elastic feel/attack. The mids are more abundant and Marshally as well. Hagen's Channel 2 is really nice.

 

[shred-o-holic]

I used to own a F-loaded Diezel 4x12. I would never own one again. They do project like a laser but they have no organic nature just felt like the speaker was in my face raw frame lol. I am a big fan of the Herbert though such a metal beast.

 

[napalmdeath]

Diezel getting big love this week.

Nothing but the usual flavor of the week amp cycling of the forum. Last week it was all SLO

Yup. Next will be NAD: Diezel..... Then a slew in the classifieds the following week.

 

[moltenmetalburn]

Diezel has been my "flavor" since 2009. Never going aynwhere else again. Just wound up back to Einstein and then a stable of Diezels, now back down to two.

Waiting for lunchbox

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

Diezel getting big love this week.

Nothing but the usual flavor of the week amp cycling of the forum. Last week it was all SLO

Yup. Next will be NAD: Diezel..... Then a slew in the classifieds the following week.

Don't hold your breath. I'm loving mine.