Black Sabbath's "13"

sytharnia1560 said:
good album, but I thought every song kinda "felt" the same. They seemed to fall in to the "sabbath is a doom band" and just went with that formula. I never considered them a doom band. Yes doomy moments, but it was the fact that they went all over the place with each album that made them great.. 13 didn't have that for me
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It very much felt like a throwback album, and that's kind of antithetical to the experimental, trailblazing spirit of the band.

Rubin wanted a very specific thing from the band, which is to pretend it was the follow-up to the debut album.

Sabbath didn't need to pretend they were Sabbath. Rubin lost the plot with that one I think.
 
GreatRedDragon said:
It very much felt like a throwback album, and that's kind of antithetical to the experimental, trailblazing spirit of the band.

Rubin wanted a very specific thing from the band, which is to pretend it was the follow-up to the debut album.

Sabbath didn't need to pretend they were Sabbath. Rubin lost the plot with that one I think.
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It’s the incestious nature of the Hollywood scene. These guys just always work with each other and often to the detriment of something new and cool. Rubin is the guy they think they need when going for something “authentic” but is actually just nostalgia. AC/DC and Metallica didn’t fair too well with him either IMO. He was better at tapping into classic bands when producing new/young bands but not when actually getting to work with a classic band.
 
skoora said:
It’s the incestious nature of the Hollywood scene. These guys just always work with each other and often to the detriment of something new and cool. Rubin is the guy they think they need when going for something “authentic” but is actually just nostalgia. AC/DC and Metallica didn’t fair too well with him either IMO. He was better at tapping into classic bands when producing new/young bands but not when actually getting to work with a classic band.
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I feel like he got that rep working with Johnny Cash, except that with Cash, he was making the albums Johnny had always wanted to make but hadn't been allowed to by the Nashville establishment.
 
GreatRedDragon said:
It very much felt like a throwback album, and that's kind of antithetical to the experimental, trailblazing spirit of the band.

Rubin wanted a very specific thing from the band, which is to pretend it was the follow-up to the debut album.

Sabbath didn't need to pretend they were Sabbath. Rubin lost the plot with that one I think.
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It’s a great album though
 
GreatRedDragon said:
I think the big issue was the production. It's very badly brickwalled, as is the norm with Ruck Rubin.
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As is the norm...full stop.

The mastering engineer is the one who's really damned if you do damned if you don't, its a total no win situation. If you make it sound good you will be forever ignored for contention because it just will disappear among the background music optimized tracks. If you DO squash it to 2 to 4 bits of dynamic range, the fans will hate you for smashing it, but you'll keep your job as you delivered what the guy signing the checks wanted
 
GreatRedDragon said:
It's a really good album, but I would say it's in spite of Rubin.
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But I think he achieved that goal . He wanted blues metal like the first 2 albums . I hear that completely . But other than that he don’t do much but annoy bands . But is that is secret and he knows it? Annoy bands to get them going .Make a fake struggle or conflict to get better songs ?
 
I started listening to his book and the way the dude talks is a bit daffy, but I honestly believe he goes into things trying to get the best out of the band and teach them how to communicate.

Having said that, based on the Beastie Boys fight, he clearly has some operational issues.
 
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