Bogner Atma vs Mark V 25

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All,

Agonising between these two. On online videos alone, I have to say that the Atma sounds superior to my ears (albeit, different). But I sold my Mark IV a while back and would quite like some Mesa back in my life.

What should I do?! Any comparisons would be helpful.

-C
 
I haven't played either but that Petrucci vid is ridiculous. The Cabclone on the V really puts it over the top for me.
 
Don't know about the Atma but I'm seriously GAS'ing for that Mark V 25.
 
The Chappers vid on the Mark V 25 was good too....he did a little Peter Green and it made me jones. That'll be my next amp. It should be yours too. Do eet.
 
I'll chime in as I do own both amps.
Personally, I think both amps can be set to sound great and are very cool! :thumbsup:
Okay, now that I got that out of the way, I will now provide my pros and cons of both amps:

Atma Pros:
1. 3 channel footswitchable amp (okay more like 2-1/2 channel footswitchable amp because tone controls are shared on Ch2 & Ch3) offering a nice clean, crunch and lead high gain sound.
2. The Atma offers some nice clean to semi-clean sounds in Ch1 that can be set to sound really nice, but only offers a single "tone/gain" control and a 3 position bright toggle switch for tone shaping.
3. Channel 2 & 3 offer a 60's, 70's and 80's mode setting which drastically changes the sound of the amp based on the era.
4. All 3 channels offer an independent volume knob.
5. Ch2 & 3 can be set to sound nearly identical for the given "Era Mode" selected (i.e. 60, 70 or 80's), but at different volumes since they have independent volume knobs, but more importantly the amount of gain in Ch2 can be scaled back from Ch3 gain (by an adjustable knob in the back of the amp). Honestly, without this awesome feature, I wouldn't consider Ch2 & Ch3 much different at all.
I usually set Ch2 gain (located at the back of the amp about noon or slightly higher). Ch2 gain setting wide open equals the amount of gain set for Ch3 in the front of the amp. In other words, the gain setting of Ch2 can never be set higher than wherever the gain setting is at in the front of the amp for Ch3, but can be dialed back.
6. The Atma has a good sounding effects loop without sucking a lot of tone.
7. Power watt setting of 18, 5 and 1, although all 3 channels are set to whatever is selected.
8. Modern / Vintage switch located in the back of the amp that has a HUGE impact in tone, feel and volume of all 3 channels regardless of setting. I put this in the "Pros" because it makes such a big difference based on setting. That said, I much prefer the "Modern" voicing most of the time because "Vintage" adds tons of volume and not better sounds for my needs with my guitar / cab.
9. Easy access to tubes for maintenance when necessary. Simply unscrew the four screws and you have easy access to all tubes / components. I am not an amp tech, but do appreciate the easy access to the tubes.

Atma Cons:
1. No Standby Switch! This might seem to be a non factor to some, but it is my biggest disappointment of the amp. I HATE the pop that I hear when powering off the amp to switch guitars.
2. Limited flexibility in Ch1 for clean sounds. It basically offers a single tone/gain knob, Ch1 volume knob and a 3 position dark, medium, bright toggle switch to shape you clean sound. The good news is that I really like the clean sound offerings from Ch1 with the bright toggle switch selected to bright, but only then! I haven't found good clean sounds with bright switch set to dark or medium.
3. Multiple power settings of 18, 5 or 1w are universal to the amp. At 18w....this amp is surprisingly LOUD even through a 112 cab. Even set to 5w mode this thing is loud. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but when you set the amp to Vintage mode instead of Modern mode.....it is MUCH louder at 18w or 5w. Kind of backwards of what I thought. Lastly, the 1w mode is whisper quite. Huge difference between volume levels while set at 5w vs 1w. I was actually somewhat surprised by this compared to other amps that I have owned that offered 5w and 1w power settings.
4. There is no built in reverb. This isn't a big deal to me, but I do feel that a built in reverb would be a nice touch.....especially for the "clean sounds" in Ch1.
5. There is a huge volume difference between the 60s, 70s and 80 mode offerings of Ch2 & 3. This in itself isn't a problem because each channel has a dedicated volume knob. That said, don't be fooled by thinking you can have your gain, treble, middle, bass knobs set and then manually switch between 60's, 70's, 80's mode of Ch2 & 3 because all things equal.....you could be in for a deafening surprise......especially in 18w mode, but even 5w mode.

Mark V, 25w Pros:
1. Standby mode offered! Hurray!
2. Independent gain, treble, middle, bass, presence controls on both footswitchable channels.
3. 3 selectable modes in each channel (but not footswitchable) for either channel
4. All 6 modes offered can be set to sound fantastic with different guitars / cabs / personal preferences.
5. Optional footswitchable Graphic EQ in both Channels. Not a requirement, but offers an incredible palette of additional tonal options or can alternately be set more as a volume boost if desired.
6. Nice sounding built in reverb circuit with independent control for each channel (not footswitchable, but defeatable by turning it fully CCW in either or both channels)
7. 10w/25w power mode can be set independently for each channel. Makes a big difference in tone, feel and volume, but 10w can still be set to sound fairly loud if desired.
8. Cabclone feature included which allows for silent recording, direct plug-in to PA system, headphone use for silent listening.
9. Nice sounding effects loop without significant tone suck.

Mark V, 25w Cons:
1. Access to replacing preamp tubes REQUIRES removal of amp from Chassis period! I don't care how small your hands are......this is required. That said, I have had incredible reliability from my Mesa Amps in the past so this will not likely need to be done very often. It is certainly not going to be easy for those that love to "tube roll". I personally do not....so not a problem for me.
2. Personally, I have been able to achieve excellent sounds for all 6 modes on the amp (yes, this is a pro). That said, I am in love with the clean sound offerings in Ch1 AND the Crunch mode of Ch1! The problem is that I can't footswitch between my most awesome clean sounds and the awesome crunch sounds in Ch1. However, it is a small sacrifice considering that awesome crunch/lead sounds are also offered in Ch2. Especially when engaging the footswitchable GEQ set to taste!

My preference is the Mark V Mini, but I truly think that Atma is also a cool amp that can be set to sound fantastic too.....just not as versatile for my needs as the Mark V Mini!
 
Can't you just turn the volume down on the Atma to switch guitars?
 
Badronald":3p2rfbph said:
Can't you just turn the volume down on the Atma to switch guitars?


Seriously :lol: :LOL: There are better ways to do that. Turn your tuner on.
 
Greg Riley":kik2ndio said:
I owned a Atma.. I sold it quick!! Sounds like it looks IMO
What's that supposed to mean? What didn't you like about it?
 
I have a MK V:25 on the way but if Diezel had made one, I would have picked that :)
 
jsp":vitz1qir said:
Badronald":vitz1qir said:
Can't you just turn the volume down on the Atma to switch guitars?


Seriously :lol: :LOL: There are better ways to do that. Turn your tuner on.

No. You presume he's using pedals. He's talking specifically about the amp.

I'm playing through my Triple right now with just a cable. No pedals.
 
Badronald":g64urzuh said:
jsp":g64urzuh said:
Badronald":g64urzuh said:
Can't you just turn the volume down on the Atma to switch guitars?


Seriously :lol: :LOL: There are better ways to do that. Turn your tuner on.

No. You presume he's using pedals. He's talking specifically about the amp.

I'm playing through my Ttiple right now with just a cable. No pedals.

At shows? Or rehearsals?
 
peterc52":b0hudvhe said:
Badronald":b0hudvhe said:
jsp":b0hudvhe said:
Badronald":b0hudvhe said:
Can't you just turn the volume down on the Atma to switch guitars?


Seriously :lol: :LOL: There are better ways to do that. Turn your tuner on.

No. You presume he's using pedals. He's talking specifically about the amp.

I'm playing through my Triple right now with just a cable. No pedals.

At shows? Or rehearsals?

I always use a pedal tuner. I was responding to dgaemc2 above. He may not gig.
 
If you read the Atma thread there is no surprise that I really love this amp. I think the versatility in the Atma is something I haven´t seen/heard in any other amp. There are other "lunch-box/mini" amps out there but this one sounds awsome.
Having that said, what dgaemc2 says about the Atma is spot on. It´s by no means a perfect amp, but alot of things are great, especially ch2 and 3.
By the end of the day I think it comes down to sound preference. By listening to the demos of the Mark V:25 it sounds much more high-gain focused then the Atma. Even though you can get some great crunch, I still feel as if it shines in that high-gain area, the Atma does not. The Atma is more classic in it´s gain tone, even if it sure packs alot of it, but it doesen´t really go in to the Rectifier saturation territory.

So my 5 cents is, if you need more versatility in the clean channel, play hard-rock and metal go Mark V:25, if you play rock and hard-rock go Atma :) Either way, I don´t think you can go wrong with any of them.

I to got some GAS for the Mark V:25 so I might get one to try it out and compare it to the Atma some day.

Good luck m8!
 
Badronald":29d7or1r said:
jsp":29d7or1r said:
Badronald":29d7or1r said:
Can't you just turn the volume down on the Atma to switch guitars?


Seriously :lol: :LOL: There are better ways to do that. Turn your tuner on.

No. You presume he's using pedals. He's talking specifically about the amp.

I'm playing through my Triple right now with just a cable. No pedals.


I was agreeing with you, and adding to what you said. In any case, you definitely don't have to turn the amp off :lol: :LOL:
 
Hi folks,

I didn't think my comments about my preference to have a standby switch would have caused such a stir, but no problem.
Yes, I know that I don't have to turn off my amp to change guitars, make connections to the effects loop, etc. on the Atma.
I do prefer a standby switch for the convenience of not having to zero out volume knobs to make guitar changes, pedal changes into the loop or directly in to amp, etc. Also, I never place a tuner between my guitar and amp.....simply because I prefer to have less "stuff" in between instrument and amp.....especially a tuner. The Snark clip ons work well for me.
That said, even with the volume all the way down on the amp, and with the guitar volume rolled off or even not connected, my Atma makes a significant pop when switching between power modes and/or vintage/modern settings. I am certain there nothing wrong with my amp / nor does it cause any harm to the amp.......I just don't like popping sounds ever. ;)
That said, maybe it would still do it if it had a standby switch after making setting changes as mentioned above and then turning the standby switch back on. I don't know?
Are these popping sounds a showstopper for me? Not at all, I still own my Atma and do really like the sound offerings.

Anyhow, yes....I find the Atma to be a great sounding amp and very flexible. If you peruse the Bogner subforum you will find most posts in the Atma thread by roccster and myself.

I really do like the versatility of sound offerings that I can achieve out of the Atma, but especially love the Ch2 & Ch3 sound offerings when set to 80's mode and modern. The 60's and 70's modes can also be set to sound great, but do require significant changes to the gain, volume and tone pots....which is to be expected.

Anyway, my response was intended to be helpful since I do own both amps.
And I do agree with roccster's assessment in that they are two different amps with there own unique sounds. Which one is preferred will completely depend upon individual tastes and preferences.
The one thing that I will say is that "Marks" are known for heavy high gain rhythm sounds, especially when GEQ is set to Classic V shape. That said, they are actually capable of just about any style (even in the high gain channel) depending upon how they are set.

Best of luck to whomever may be considering either or both of these amps. I think they are both great sounding amps! :)
 
Once again dgaemc2 NAILED IT! :)

My Atma makes the pop as well, when turning it off or switching power output, so guess it´s by design. My amp tech gave me the tip to at least turn it off before changing output since it is stressing the circuits (according to him).

Well I sure got GAS for the Mark V:25, but after rehearsing last night I got over it. The Atma is my sound, and I couldn´t be happier. If you have any questions about the amp just pop me a message, or post your Q in the Atma thread.

Peace!
 
UberschallEL34":2i4w7gfc said:

sounds nice to me

I saw this video and went to Interstate music to try one out thinking it would be a great way to get good tone with light weight. :aww: It sounded like every other el84 based amp and not at all like the video. That said, I did not play it cranked up, I only messed with it for 30 min, and I was playing through a greenback cab. I have owned the Engl's Ironball and the Pink Taco. Played through an Orange Tiny Terror and the Mesa V 25. If you like big tube sound, get or keep the big tube amp. Of the 4 el84 amps I have experience with, the Pink Taco was the only one that did not sound like el84's but I still sold it.
 
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