bogner shiva???????

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been watchin a ton of clips on this amp and damn it sounds nice but im just wondering if it can pull off metal/brootz well.....???

every clip ive heard is some semi clean crunch/clean bluesy type stuff ..... it sounds very much like a plexi to me and it seems like it can get on the line of pretty metal, but how is the gain structure of the amp ....... does it saturate nicely??????

what can you compare it too gain-wise?????


goin out to rudys in nyc to play on one somtime this month i might be pickin it up if it can get nicely saturated......any owners with clips/vids post em up
 
It's my Bogner favorite after the Uberschall and my Super Shiva, or maybe it's before them. Who knows, they're all great... I bought my Shiva without having played one and was blown away when I got it. Great amp and I really like the sag circuit thingie. Feels very natural to play for me.
 
Agreed, no metal in a shiva whatsoever. GREAT amp though. If you want to do the whole comparison thing, I guess you could say it's similar to an 800, but it's sweeter sounding, not quite as wiry/gnarly. It can get some raw rock sounds but it's not for brutal metal at all.
 
Definitely not a "metal" amp, whatever metal is. Maybe in the 70's/80's, but not today. Whatever metal is...
 
glassjaw7":tf9m5ub5 said:
Agreed, no metal in a shiva whatsoever. GREAT amp though. If you want to do the whole comparison thing, I guess you could say it's similar to an 800, but it's sweeter sounding, not quite as wiry/gnarly. It can get some raw rock sounds but it's not for brutal metal at all.
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is the gain saturation similar to an 800 2203?????

if thats the case ive pulled out some rediculous metal tones on an un modded jcm800, i kind of have a feeling i might pull out the broots on the shiva from some clips/vids ive heard it seems to get to that nice saturation point.....it just seems with the right pickups and in the right hands that it can be pretty metal

its weird to me cuz ive done metal on most of the amps that people say cant do metal......for example ive pulled out some serious metal tones on the mesa electradyne and thats one of those amps that supposedly falls under the "no metal" category

that shiva seems to have a real sweet beautiful classic tone to it........i have a twin jet now and yea the twin jet is menacing but it just seems to lack that "toney" character that the shiva seems to have
 
Big Rich":k86ncmr6 said:
glassjaw7":k86ncmr6 said:
Agreed, no metal in a shiva whatsoever. GREAT amp though. If you want to do the whole comparison thing, I guess you could say it's similar to an 800, but it's sweeter sounding, not quite as wiry/gnarly. It can get some raw rock sounds but it's not for brutal metal at all.
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is the gain saturation similar to an 800 2203?????

if thats the case ive pulled out some rediculous metal tones on an un modded jcm800, i kind of have a feeling i might pull out the broots on the shiva from some clips/vids ive heard it seems to get to that nice saturation point.....it just seems with the right pickups and in the right hands that it can be pretty metal

its weird to me cuz ive done metal on most of the amps that people say cant do metal......for example ive pulled out some serious metal tones on the mesa electradyne and thats one of those amps that supposedly falls under the "no metal" category

that shiva seems to have a real sweet beautiful classic tone to it........i have a twin jet now and yea the twin jet is menacing but it just seems to lack that "toney" character that the shiva seems to have
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From the little time I spent with one, I thought it was similar to some 800's I've played, but like you said it has that "beautiful sweet classic tone". So I really can't hear hard metal coming from that amp. But you may be able to do it. I didn't try to play metal on it, I just let the tone kind of take me where it wanted and I played some noodly melodic stuff and some chording with the volume rolled back a bit. I may be playing one in a couple weeks again. I'll try to dial it in for a more aggressive tone.
 
I couldn't get any metal, no 80s or 90s or 00s, reason is that the bass is not tight on this amp. But it don't matter, because for all rock styles it's awesome, as the signature EQ makes it sound very big and crunchy, just not in a heavy way.

70s metal? Yeah maybe it could pull off some early Black Sabbath!
 
Big Rich":10k8f3lp said:
is the gain saturation similar to an 800 2203?????
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Even the old Shiva's have more gain then a stock 2203, but is more polished/polite sounding. While the 2203 is more aggressive imo. Maybe the 20th model is aggressive enough for your metal. Bob Savage's Super Shiva had alot of gain. :lol: :LOL:
 
Nope. No metal. 70's metal is nothing more than classic rock today.

I had another guitar player over last night and we were jamming. He was playing my shiva and took out his DOD grunge pedal and put it in front of the clean channel. He liked that better than the OD channel on the amp. It sounded like poo, but it had more gain. :lol: :LOL:

He likes playing 80's and 90's punk so even for that music, give it a pass.
 
Great cleans, the tube reverb is awesome.
If you consider Great White to be "metal" than I guess you would like it because that's about as heavy as it gets.
IMO not aggressive, not heavy, not brutal enough for even hard rock.
No matter the volume, I always seemed to be hitting the strings real hard looking for something that's not there.
Sounds like you already made up your mind and are looking for affirmation.
Beware, current market conditions are not favorable for flipping high priced boutique-y amps.
 
i dono i still have hopes that it can pull it off i have a feeling its a decieving amp ..... honestly from the clips ive heard people didnt play metal sounding riffs but the el34 model seems to have a real nice aggressive bite to it

i have a feeling it can pull it off .... il see when i go to play it sometime this month and il bring my camera to take a vid of it doin the broots if i can get it to do that haha
 
I owned an EL34 "new version" with the bright switches for about six months and sold it. It'll do 70's rock but nothing NEAR as heavy as what you posted. Boosting it doesn't help either. One of the other posters mentioned sag and loose bottom end and that's exactly the problem. It's got very little bottom end and what is there is very loose. The amp sags terribly! It's got a fair amount of gain but I can almost guarantee you will be disappointed. It won't even pull off AIC tones. Good luck to you!
 
skip past 1:00 in that area it starts sounding pretty metal sure its not really modern sounding but it can do it
 
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