flimz
Active member
The Excursion knob on the back of the 20th Shiva can really add a ton of low end.
se7en
Active member
You can get a lot of low end out the Shiva, but it won't be as wide as the Uber or XTC. The 20th Shiva has narrower Q to the midrange as well which makes it more focused. The Shiva will be almost as aggressive as the Uber. The low end is very tight. I actually really like the 2nd channel on the TJ and have played a Rev. Blue. Twin Jet is tighter and more open sounding which suits my tastes. But, if you need a clean channel skip the TJ. 1st channel is pretty awesome though. More like a JCM 800 crunch to the tone.
Bxlxaxkxe
Amp ho
se7en":27uefylq said:
Yea see I could easily get away without a true clean channel. I think if I went uber I'd go TJ. Are these known to have trouble cutting in the mix? My instincts tell me with the right eq, its fine. But we do have another guitar player in the band and there's nothing more depressing than barely being able to hear your new amp. He's currently running a jcm 800.
se7en
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No trouble cutting. That's a big reason why I like it. The lower compression and bigger power section ensure that it stays clear and tight. I run mine up pretty loud. Very aggressive and holds together at volume. Good note separation. I think Mo described the sound as "nuclear". That's pretty accurate. 
leib10
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Never played the Shiva, but any Uber can nail those 80s and 90s hard rock tones if properly dialed in. That's the key- these amps take some experimenting with, but it'll be worth your while.
Ventura
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Couple things...
Ubers: You dial them in by ear, NOT eye. The EQ/parameters are very coincidental and counterintuitive. Add one thing, it takes away from another, lessen a global, suddenly everything changes on the preamp EQ. They're tricky lil' mofos to setup when you're used to any number of other more "normal-to-dial-in-amps", but once you get the hang of it (and trust me, your knobs will look VERY different than, say, someone running a JCM800 or a Splawn or any other amp - even another Bogner for that matter) - when it's finally where you want it. Forget the eye, go by ear. I tend to start with my globals at 11 o'clock, and work the pre-EQ from there. Once it's close, then I start playing with the globals and really pay attention to what's being given or taken away. Trust me though, great, great amps - period.
20thA Sheevs? Only head that I like that runs KT88s. KT88s are one of the most transparent super-output bottles on the market today. They don't colour the tone - hence the reason manufacturers like Fryette pump them in their 2/90/2 poweramps, and top-line McIntosh Lab amps use these bottles in their poweramps for audio systems. Full spectrum, clear as a bell, thick range. Only thing is? They can't be pushed - unlike EL34s that get all horny and juicy when they're maxing out; KT88s will sound like asscrackers when they're pushed too hard. Good news is? The amps they're built around aren't meant to push the power section, they're relying on the preamp/tonestack stage to hone the tone, and then drive that tone through the KT88s for exacting clarity.
I'd opt for the 20thA Sheevs hands down man - maybe stick a dirt in front of it, or a clear boost (remember the CAL Mk.4:23 Pro, or regular version - they work AWESOME with the Sheevs!!) and you'll be winning. They cut, and they're versatile as hell.
I'm done
Mo
Ubers: You dial them in by ear, NOT eye. The EQ/parameters are very coincidental and counterintuitive. Add one thing, it takes away from another, lessen a global, suddenly everything changes on the preamp EQ. They're tricky lil' mofos to setup when you're used to any number of other more "normal-to-dial-in-amps", but once you get the hang of it (and trust me, your knobs will look VERY different than, say, someone running a JCM800 or a Splawn or any other amp - even another Bogner for that matter) - when it's finally where you want it. Forget the eye, go by ear. I tend to start with my globals at 11 o'clock, and work the pre-EQ from there. Once it's close, then I start playing with the globals and really pay attention to what's being given or taken away. Trust me though, great, great amps - period.
20thA Sheevs? Only head that I like that runs KT88s. KT88s are one of the most transparent super-output bottles on the market today. They don't colour the tone - hence the reason manufacturers like Fryette pump them in their 2/90/2 poweramps, and top-line McIntosh Lab amps use these bottles in their poweramps for audio systems. Full spectrum, clear as a bell, thick range. Only thing is? They can't be pushed - unlike EL34s that get all horny and juicy when they're maxing out; KT88s will sound like asscrackers when they're pushed too hard. Good news is? The amps they're built around aren't meant to push the power section, they're relying on the preamp/tonestack stage to hone the tone, and then drive that tone through the KT88s for exacting clarity.
I'd opt for the 20thA Sheevs hands down man - maybe stick a dirt in front of it, or a clear boost (remember the CAL Mk.4:23 Pro, or regular version - they work AWESOME with the Sheevs!!) and you'll be winning. They cut, and they're versatile as hell.
I'm done
Mo
thenine
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OP should look at the XTC
Ventura
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Sure, but the Sheevs is likely less expensive, and depending on what XTC you get, "cut" can be tricky to dial in.thenine":2twsbel6 said:
This coming from an XTC fanboi, just stated for the record
Bxlxaxkxe
Amp ho
For whatever reason...the Ecstasy isn't really on my radar...and yea...it's generally a little more than I'm looking to spend.
I'm curious how that Twin Jet channel one would compare to the gain channel on the 20th Shiva.
I'm curious how that Twin Jet channel one would compare to the gain channel on the 20th Shiva.
Bxlxaxkxe
Amp ho
Any 20th owners care to make a real short clip/vid showing mode out vs pushed in? Curious...
Or if you know of an existing one, point me in the right direction?
Or if you know of an existing one, point me in the right direction?
skoora
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From my experience demoing a Shiva vs. the 20th Shiva, they are very different. You definitely would not be able to judge what a 20th would sound like if you got to try the more common Shiva. I would take the 20th Shiva in a heartbeat over the Uber, for any style.