calling resident modders.. Lexicon Signature 284

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Hi, I am an old HRI refugee, I've been a member here since 2011. I almost never post, but I read the forum every day.

I have a Lexicon Signature 284 stereo head for home playing and recording. It’s a 3 watts per channel single ended (one EL84) in class A, switchable clean-high gain, stereo FX loop, an integrated load for silent recording, and a slave out; I would like to use it mainly as a low-power PA with external preamps connected to its return loops, but also like a head by itself.

Unfortunately, I've never found it to be a good fit either way: the preamp section is designed with some very strange tone controls, like a Baxandall I think, very dark (and there's no bright switch). The clean section is only good for jazz in my opinion, and the distortion, even with a lot of gain, tonally sounds more like a poorly executed Fender. The bass is very flabby and the mids are annoying. Everything here is also very dark and midrangey, even with the treble and presence controls almost maxed out. Tried with various EQ and OD pedals, it doesn't make much of a difference.
As for the power amp section alone, here too, the bass is very muddy (more low low mids than bass) and overall lacks clarity, with a boxed-up,
ugly midrange.
Tried obviously with several cabs and speakers, but no way.

Now, I know I can't expect big tube response from EL84s, and that low power limits frequency response, but I know that Friedman, Bogner,
and others can make low-power EL84s sounds good, and I was particularly impressed with Psychodave's JCA 20h mod, which IMO sounded amazing.


So do you think it's possible to at least modify the power amp section, which is single-ended? Perhaps playing also with the NFB values?
Any suggestions would be very welcomed, because local techs have no experience with amp mods, but they would be able to follow diagrams.
Thank you in advance, and sorry for the long post
Cheers

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I didn't know they've ever made this sort of thing.

Good luck eero.
 
Yeah, it was developed in the late 1990s (circa 1998) to accompany the Lexicon MPX-G2 effect processor, as a way to provide a high-end analog tube tone for studio recordings.
it was only produced for a short time and has been out of production since the late '90s..
the concept was very cool at the time, but maybe the market wasn't ready for this kind of solution yet...USA voltage only.
 
The preamp is very conservative probably because of the ultra linear power supply and class A power tubes being sensitive to a hot signal. The tonestack isn’t TMB Marshall style as stated and the phase inverter isn’t a long tail pair and doesn’t have any local feedback for thermal compensation or just bias stability.

The line outs have some fairly aggressive low pass filters on the output and is fairly complex. I feel like they spent more design time on getting a decent line out signal than they did just starting with a decent signal to begin with in the preamp.

There’s so much I’d want to change. The preamp would be the easiest - there’s a lot of things you don’t do that are done which would need changed for high gain to sound great.

The loop is passive and also acts as a signal splitter for the parallel power output. Amplifier design practices have evolved quite a bit since this was designed.

I think they were trying new things at the time and it’s not surprising it didn’t last long. My opinion is that it’s better off finding something else to do what you need because as is, it’s just not a good donor for the amount of modifications it would take to bring it up to speed with what people expect today.
 
The preamp is very conservative probably because of the ultra linear power supply and class A power tubes being sensitive to a hot signal. The tonestack isn’t TMB Marshall style as stated and the phase inverter isn’t a long tail pair and doesn’t have any local feedback for thermal compensation or just bias stability.

The line outs have some fairly aggressive low pass filters on the output and is fairly complex. I feel like they spent more design time on getting a decent line out signal than they did just starting with a decent signal to begin with in the preamp.

There’s so much I’d want to change. The preamp would be the easiest - there’s a lot of things you don’t do that are done which would need changed for high gain to sound great.

The loop is passive and also acts as a signal splitter for the parallel power output. Amplifier design practices have evolved quite a bit since this was designed.
I absolutely agree with you
 
I think they were trying new things at the time and it’s not surprising it didn’t last long. My opinion is that it’s better off finding something else to do what you need because as is, it’s just not a good donor for the amount of modifications it would take to bring it up to speed with what people expect today.
again, I agree...the problem is that it is not easy to sell, especially in Europe also because of the voltage...that's why I was thinking of a possible modification of just the power amp, so that I could at least use it with external preamps..but thanks anyway for your reply, very kind of you
 

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