Cameron CCV or CAA PT-100?

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Which one? :confused:
I'm looking for the ultimate Marshall.
Probably will pair it with a GH30 loaded cab.

I want a a tight low end, plenty of gain, no need for boost.

Which amp would deliver?
Anyone tried both?
 
Y'know the PT is Marshall based for sure but I think the H30's are the speakers Brad is using with the CCV. Greenbacks for the PT. If you're not intending on replacing the cabinet I'd go CCV but I wouldn't say it's Marshally sounding.
 
You really need to try the PT first IMO. I got one new w/ a return policy (thankfully). Took it home to try out and could not get it to sound like any of the videos I've seen (at least to my ears), through different cabs and guitars. IDK maybe just never found the sweet spot and the feeling of the amp wasn't my cup of tea compared to a Marshall'ish Splawn and a Peters, it just felt too round - like I couldn't "dig" into it.
 
If he wants straight modded Marshall....I would go Friedman SS100.
 
Played both amps at the same time, location, same speakers, cabinet with my guitar and cable. I had heard a lot of good things and good reviews on TGP that peaked my interest for the PT100. The PT100 is a bright sounding amp (on channels 1 and 2, more so than the CCV), I could not dial out the high end no matter how hard I tried. "Channel 3" has more gain than I would use, very modern sounding. Just did not care much for the voicing on Ch. 3 which also probably means the bass did not stay together tight. At that point, it looses the articulation that the CCV100 and Cameron amps excel in. For my tastes, I found the "Whomp" toggle switch unusable. Like yourself, an amp must have a focused, tight bottom end for it to be considered a candidate for me to purchase. The CCV100 has that. You probably already know, but the CCV100 also has a "solo boost" which essentially gives you the same tone, but at a higher adjustable volume that you select. The PT100 is a good amp but not would I would consider great by my rating system- the CCV is a great amp. I found the CCV to be more organic sounding which I know may sound a bit too subjective. The stock Cameron 4x12's come loaded with Celestion G12H30 (70th Anniversary) speakers. If you already have a cab loaded with them in it and are currently using that with another amp(s) that likes that speaker, you are do not have to concern yourself with purchasing another cab wondering if another speaker would go best with it, already done. I found the CCV to have more usable features that are believable and voiced realistically whereas, the bright selectors on the PT100 not as accessible to dial in a good tone. I am not sure, but I thought I read where Pete Thorn and Suhr may be working on, if not already completed, another version of the PT100. I think the CCV has more of a ripped, 'pissed off' Marshall tone. I have a couple mic'd clips here where you can listen to the CCV in action if that helps any. http://soundcloud.com/50mkii/cameron-ccv-100-clip137ip http://soundcloud.com/50mkii/cameron-ccv-100-clip136ip-gb-3


Superunknown":10f9cb3d said:
If he wants straight modded Marshall....I would go Friedman SS100.
Yeah, I hear you Todd but I think the CCV has more gain, wouldn't you say from what we heard from the NAMM Show?

It appears that you may not have the chance to try both out for yourself to see what fits best, otherwise that is what I would recommend. If you purchased either amp and decided you did not like it, you would be able to flip either- just a matter of how much you would loose in the process.

Ken
 
My worthless (almost) .02.... :lol: :LOL:

I really like both of those amps, and as far as the various PT100 videos go, I've never seen one that actually does it justice....

The one thing I will say, is that it requires more volume (imo) to do it's thing, than the production CCV.

FWIW
 
Yep the CCV has more gain, but I think that Dave is adding more gain to the SS100 per Steve's request. The CCV is still my favorite amp, but I guess that I just don't consider it modded Marshall. Its got its own thing happening IMHO. The Atomica would be a great choice as well but the features may be limiting depending on his rig. The Wizard is killer modded Marshall as well....
 
50MkII":3gh6dzw9 said:
Played both amps at the same time, location, same speakers, cabinet with my guitar and cable. I had heard a lot of good things and good reviews on TGP that peaked my interest for the PT100. The PT100 is a bright sounding amp (on channels 1 and 2, more so than the CCV), I could not dial out the high end no matter how hard I tried. "Channel 3" has more gain than I would use, very modern sounding. Just did not care much for the voicing on Ch. 3 which also probably means the bass did not stay together tight. At that point, it looses the articulation that the CCV100 and Cameron amps excel in. For my tastes, I found the "thump" toggle switch unusable. Like yourself, an amp must have a focused, tight bottom end for it to be considered a candidate for me to purchase. The CCV100 has that. You probably already know, but the CCV100 also has a "solo boost" which essentially gives you the same tone, but at a higher adjustable volume that you select. The PT100 is a good amp but not would I would consider great by my rating system- the CCV is a great amp. I found the CCV to be more organic sounding which I know may sound a bit too subjective. The stock Cameron 4x12's come loaded with Celestion G12H30 (70th Anniversary) speakers. If you already have a cab loaded with them in it and are currently using that with another amp(s) that likes that speaker, you are do not have to concern yourself with purchasing another cab wondering if another speaker would go best with it, already done. I found the CCV to have more usable features that are believable and voiced realistically whereas, the bright selectors on the PT100 not as accessible to dial in a good tone. I am not sure, but I thought I read where Pete Thorn and Suhr may be working on, if not already completed, another version of the PT100. I think the CCV has more of a ripped, 'pissed off' Marshall tone. I have a couple mic'd clips here where you can listen to the CCV in action if that helps any. http://soundcloud.com/50mkii/cameron-ccv-100-clip137ip http://soundcloud.com/50mkii/cameron-ccv-100-clip136ip-gb-3


Superunknown":3gh6dzw9 said:
If he wants straight modded Marshall....I would go Friedman SS100.
Yeah, I hear you Todd but I think the CCV has more gain, wouldn't you say from what we heard from the NAMM Show?

It appears that you may not have the chance to try both out for yourself to see what fits best, otherwise that is what I would recommend. If you purchased either amp and decided you did not like it, you would be able to flip either- just a matter of how much you would loose in the process.

Ken
Wow, I have a PT100 and don't find it overally bright in the least bit, the Womp switch is definately usable, the bottom isn't loose and its very Marshall sounding so take this review with a grain of salt and try before you buy if possible. ;)
 
Superunknown":3n0lxbqi said:
Yep the CCV has more gain, but I think that Dave is adding more gain to the SS100 per Steve's request. The CCV is still my favorite amp, but I guess that I just don't consider it modded Marshall. Its got its own thing happening IMHO. The Atomica would be a great choice as well but the features may be limiting depending on his rig. The Wizard is killer modded Marshall as well....
The CCV doesn't have allot of actual gain at all. It has more distortion which is perceived gain. The distortion from the diode clipping blends with the gain the amp has. If you take the diode clipping out in the middle position on the Jose master theres not allot of gain by high gain standards. Me, I like a blend of tube gain and diode clipping if done correctly in a circuit. The CCV does it right. The drive switch will give you more gain by lowering the cathode bypass cap value but even at the lowest value the amp is not super high gain unless a diode is engaged. I have a handwired CCV circuit that has loads more gain than the CCV but not all the options. It blends great with the jose master though. I am a fan of diode clipping but not a ton.
 
Ultimate Marshall? Find a good 70's JMP, boost it with a tube screamer, and play it on a Marshall 4x12 with broken in Greenbacks. It will smoke all these new channel switchers as long as you can turn it up.
 
The ultimate Marshall is an old Marshall. Don't look for it in a PT or a CCV. They both have their own thing going on.
 
danyeo":nx5hav7a said:
Ultimate Marshall? Find a good 70's JMP, boost it with a tube screamer, and play it on a Marshall 4x12 with broken in Greenbacks. It will smoke all these new channel switchers as long as you can turn it up.


Yup...totally agreed. I've owned both a PT100 and a CCV... and they're both gone. However, my '78 JMP 100 Cameron HG/LG Jose is here to stay ;) :yes:
 
AmpliFIRE":2mb9uzxs said:
danyeo":2mb9uzxs said:
Ultimate Marshall? Find a good 70's JMP, boost it with a tube screamer, and play it on a Marshall 4x12 with broken in Greenbacks. It will smoke all these new channel switchers as long as you can turn it up.


Yup...totally agreed. I've owned both a PT100 and a CCV... and they're both gone. However, my '78 JMP 100 Cameron HG/LG Jose is here to stay ;) :yes:

:thumbsup:
 
danyeo":1698umq3 said:
Ultimate Marshall? Find a good 70's JMP, boost it with a tube screamer, and play it on a Marshall 4x12 with broken in Greenbacks. It will smoke all these new channel switchers as long as you can turn it up.

Yup, I would not look at either as well if I was looking for marshall.

As much as I love my Cali I have been playing it more and more without the diode clipping as well, after years of Jose it is time for gain stages and other things to get the roar. It is coming........................
 
philb":34mcdemu said:
Which one? :confused:
I'm looking for the ultimate Marshall.

"If you want a Marshall, get a Marshall..." might sound cliche, but totally true.

I chased the Marshall sound with other amps ad nauseum. I lucked into an old plexi and it
surpasses everything and just has "it."

Good luck in your search.
 
marvcus":5iga127j said:
philb":5iga127j said:
Which one? :confused:
I'm looking for the ultimate Marshall.

"If you want a Marshall, get a Marshall..." might sound cliche, but totally true.

I chased the Marshall sound with other amps ad nauseum. I lucked into an old plexi and it
surpasses everything and just has "it."

Good luck in your search.

Full circle.... :thumbsup:
 
steve_k":1k9zh9ww said:
marvcus":1k9zh9ww said:
philb":1k9zh9ww said:
Which one? :confused:
I'm looking for the ultimate Marshall.

"If you want a Marshall, get a Marshall..." might sound cliche, but totally true.

I chased the Marshall sound with other amps ad nauseum. I lucked into an old plexi and it
surpasses everything and just has "it."

Good luck in your search.

Full circle.... :thumbsup:
You've gone in many circles Steve.........and continue. :lol: :LOL:
 
LP Freak":3g1c2pdr said:
steve_k":3g1c2pdr said:
marvcus":3g1c2pdr said:
philb":3g1c2pdr said:
Which one? :confused:
I'm looking for the ultimate Marshall.

"If you want a Marshall, get a Marshall..." might sound cliche, but totally true.

I chased the Marshall sound with other amps ad nauseum. I lucked into an old plexi and it
surpasses everything and just has "it."

Good luck in your search.

Full circle.... :thumbsup:
You've gone in many circles Steve.........and continue. :lol: :LOL:

It's like wiping your ass on a wagon wheel, it never ends :thumbsup:
 
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