Ceriatone Yeti or Splawn Nitro?

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I do everything I can to dial low end OUT of my sound. I'm not a fan of "modern" guitar tones though.
 
if you are doing stoner rock\metal to me that is an Orange period. I also think any jcm800 type of circuit sounds killer for that kind of music as well.
 
you guys wanting low end without the mix clusterphuk need to at least try the isp sub for guitar. best piece of gear i bought over the past 4 years. so good, i bought a second one as a backup....actually, i also got it because i wanna try to keep up with gsxrbusa.

seriously, every amp can have huge tight bottom end with one of these. i know they are spendy, but they are worth it.

as for the original question, the splawn would be my choice.
 
Having owned an AOR 50 watter, I gotta second that motion. Huge bottom end, not flubby. Loudest fukkin thing ever.. The Splawns are going to be too tight.
You could get and recap a 100 watter, and still have $500 left over for a monster cab/speakers....
Play one. Seriously....

Or Orange!
 
I'm not particularly looking to cut through in the mix because I'm currently not gigging and I don't always like the idea of cutting through in the music that I play. I'm a rhythm guitarist and prefer to provide a backbone as the bassist would more so than cutting through and demanding everyone's attention. Besides, as long as the amp provides plenty of clarity and dimension in the midrange then it will be fine. When I've worked as an engineer, I've much preferred perfecting the bass players mix rather than the lead guitarists with their super tight and pronounced tones. It's a more enjoyable and rewarding experience for me.

Anyway, enough of that, I might be able to pick up a Laney AOR and have it completely torn out so that I won't have to worry about it breaking down in the future so much. I know a lot of people have had great experiences with the reliability of Laney, but so have those with Bugeras, it doesn't mean we should all go out and buy one because of one persons' positivity. Thanks, though, folks so far! I'm also considering the GH50L, as I have played that one first-hand and liked it.

I think I should clarify also: when I say a massive low-end, I'm not necessarily talking about Ampeg or Sunn low-end alone. I'm looking for something that balances vintage tones (strong low midrange, flubby AND tight low-end at the same time, not too much gain, etc.) and modern features (loop, enough gain for metal, versatility, etc.). I understand that what I'm looking for is very particular, and it would be a lot easier if I could simply try the amps out beforehand, but I won't be able to do that, so any advice would be appreciated, and has been thus far.
 
You're going to find that you will need more than one amp to cover that much territory. Most amps I've played, including channel switchers do one thing well. Whether it's be tight, loose, vintage, modern etc. I'm not talking about clean to dirty, I'm talking about how the amp responds, feels. I would find an amp that just kills for the Stoner vibe you have in your head and then find an other amp that does everything else. Otherwise you're looking for the right Muff/fuzz pedal to play into a cleaner setting on tighter metal amp.

But....I will say the DSL Marshall when you max the gain on the lead channel gets an awesome, fuzz pedal like distortion. That amp can cover a lot of territory. FU Manchu has used them for years and you can get their sound form the last 10 years just plugging right in and setting the gain really high.
 
To be honest, man, I'm thinkin' you're right. So far I haven't found any conclusive information that really offers me anything more than what I was trying to avoid - I'm going to need two amps. I might just sell the Soldano and get a Nitro or a Yeti anyway, and then pick up something more stoner rock/doom based when I can, because the Soldano still is too glassy sounding.

Any ideas on which one, either the Splawn or Ceriatone, will take pedals better?
 
My Chupa has a passive loop. It takes *some* pedals well. It doesn't do well with rack stuff - you need a buffer for some of those.

The Splawn QR takes pedals well, but my loop is pretty noisy.

I'm looking at grabbing an MXR Smart Gate or Noise Clamp one of these days.
 
I probably won't be using the loop that much to be honest. Seeing as I'll be playing the amp with a lot of gain, I have no real use for delay, reverb, chorus, or any other effect when I'm playing very loud and with distortion. I was referring more in the front end in this particular case. But you've definitely pointed out the fact that your Splawn loop is noisy, which I absolutely hate in amps. The Bad Cat Hot Cat 30R was a nice amp except the loop was noisy and annoying to use. It's just a bad design.

What does passive mean when we're talking about loops? Are you talking about parallel versus series?
 
AngryGoldfish":1kj3csgb said:
What does passive mean when we're talking about loops? Are you talking about parallel versus series?
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No buffer, i.e. power, to push a weak signal from the effects through the amp. Most the amps I have owned have had either a tube or SS buffered loop. In other words, when I put my Lexicon MX200 in the loop, the Lexi does have an output level, and that, coupled with the passive loop on the Chupa, meant there was very little signal getting to the return of the loop, and thus, NO volume!! I thought the amp was broke. I bought the "Klein-Ulator" to remedy that - it's a solid state buffer that boost the effects loop - by putting the effect in it' own loop, buffering or amplifying it, and then sending it through the amp's passive loop with more "oomph".

I had no issues with my TC Flashback delay though. Worked perfectly. It has an output level on it, so it had enough gain to push the signal through the loop.

The Chupa is a series loop.
 
That kinda sucks a little. I'm probably more interested in the Nitro anyway. There are more clips available, and I can actually try one out beforehand if I waited until the UK dealer had one in stock. I'd have to fly over from Ireland but that's not really a big deal.
 
AngryGoldfish":2tq658o6 said:
I probably won't be using the loop that much to be honest. Seeing as I'll be playing the amp with a lot of gain, I have no real use for delay, reverb, chorus, or any other effect when I'm playing very loud and with distortion. I was referring more in the front end in this particular case. But you've definitely pointed out the fact that your Splawn loop is noisy, which I absolutely hate in amps. The Bad Cat Hot Cat 30R was a nice amp except the loop was noisy and annoying to use. It's just a bad design.

What does passive mean when we're talking about loops? Are you talking about parallel versus series?
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You mentioned the Bad Cat Hot Cat, have you tried the Bad Cat Lynx? It's one of the amps i've been considering for stoner/doom. I know one of the dudes from baroness is using one.
 
The Lynx is way too expensive, if I'm honest. I think Mansons in the UK is currently selling them for £2999, which is a little less than $5000. Seeing as the Hot Cat 30R was a very flawed design that overheated, had a noisy and unusable loop and had a number of really dodgy settings on the EQ controls, I honestly think that Bad Cat are one of the only companies to overcharge. I don't think many people do overcharge but Bad Cat are one of them for sure.

If the Hot Cat 30R was cheaper - in line with its features and functionality - then I would buy one. But I can pick up a Diezel Herbert with better quality, more personal customer services, more features, volume, resale value, etc. for roughly a little bit more. It's a joke what you have to pay for Bad Cat, it really is, and it's even worse over here. I don't know why they bother using PTP construction because I've never heard of anyone modifying them and they don't often break down or anything. You pay an extra £1000-1500 for basically no reason.

That's just my opinion. I'd love to have a Lynx, but there is no way I'd pay that much for something of so little value.
 
I owned a Bad Cat Hot Cat 30R for a number of years before I got the VH4. DO NOT WANT. Go play one and if you like it, that's one thing. But I was just disappointed every time I plugged into that thing.

There aren't many amps I would tell someone to avoid. But the 30R is one of them.
 
Yeah, I liked the clean channel of it, but I would never recommend that Bad Cat to anyone.
 
FourT6and2":26h1lrad said:
I owned a Bad Cat Hot Cat 30R for a number of years before I got the VH4. DO NOT WANT. Go play one and if you like it, that's one thing. But I was just disappointed every time I plugged into that thing.

There aren't many amps I would tell someone to avoid. But the 30R is one of them.
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You seem to be a Tool fan (I play drums in a tool tribute band), so I trust your judgement on tone. :thumbsup: Out of all the amps you've had experience with, what would you recommend for someone who plays stuff like "Mastodon/Tool" on the heavy side and post rock/heavy fx on the mellow side? I guess the VH4 mixed with a Marshall of some sorts would be the common denominator to both of those bands. (also, sorry for seemingly hijacking your thread AngryGoldfish! But, like I said i play stoner/doom as well so maybe this will help both of us with our next amp purchase! :rock: )
 
Dude, you're a fucking asshole! How dare you hijack my thread... :lol: :LOL: jk

It's all relevant to my interests so I don't mind you asking that at all. I trust that guys' opinion as well seeing as he has some of my most desired pieces of gear around - 79 Silverburst and VH4. :rock:
 
lol, thanks guys. :D

There are a lot of great amps out there. Many of which I've never had the opportunity of playing. But I think you answered your own question, jasonmwnf. A VH4 and a Marshall are a great combination and are used by both Tool and Mastodon (as well as many other bands like Smashing Pumpkins and Muse). But if you want my personal opinion, my top picks are:

Diezel Vh4
Marshall JMP (1959, Lead Spec)
Ceriatone Chupacabra/Yeti
Mako Makoplex or Dorado

I also like the Bogner Uberschall, VHT/Fryette Ultralead, Soldano SLO and I've heard great things about Fortin. I also gotta say I love the tones I've heard from a number of Cameron-modified Marshalls. Specifically, the Cameron Jose clips by PsychoDave. So maybe even a Cameron CCV. But I've never played one. And the Chupacabra is based on a Jose mod. On the whole, I'd pay attention to how you EQ the amp as well as the speaker choice. Make sure to use gain in moderation and use lots and lots of mids. For speakers, I prefer Greenbacks (G12M) or G12-65's. Both speakers are "organic" sounding and have a lot of mids without being harsh.

But, my go-to is the VH4 and a Bogner 4x12 with Greenbacks.

Hope that helps.
 
What about the Hagen? Not as "modern" sounding as the Herbert/VH4, but still has amazing Diezel tone-age! I could rock some mastodon/tool with this bad boy:



EDIT: never saw your reply when i posted this 46andtwo! I think the hagen almost sounds like the VH4/Marshall mix all in the one amp. (from that above clip anyhow).
 
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