Climate change is real and drives human migration...sorry MAGA

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India and China are trashing the planet. Getting them under control first makes the most sense.
 
JDs Couch said:
I like you man. That's why it's sad that the fossil fuel companies have you so brainwashed that you mindlessly defend them.
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I care more about people being able to afford energy than bogus environmental optics man. Besides, you can't go on tour in an electric vehicle either.
 
VonBonfire said:
You seem to think you'll save the world by switching to toxic solar panels. You're solving one problem and then creating a different one.
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This is 100% correct. Proponents of solar and wind energy don't like to acknowledge how much oil/gas goes into producing and maintaining solar panels and wind turbines. Not to mention the impact they have on the environment. Top that off with how to dispose of everything once it outlives its usefulness. Trading solar/wind for oil & gas just substitutes a current problem for a future problem.

IMO the current best avenue to pursue for energy production is nuclear. Nothing wrong with pursuing advances in wind, solar, and hydro power, but they're not at the point to replace oil & gas without introducing their own set of devastating problems. Currently nuclear has the best return on investment and is our best option until we figure out cold fusion.
 
Sorry VB, doesn't matter how much you love your diesel fumes...

More than $2.2 trillion will go into clean energy and electrification this year, double that of fossil fuels

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JDs Couch said:
Nah, I just would have ignored you. Just like Blazing Shithole and his Brown Shirt brigade.
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I have tried to be civil with you but you are fairly antagonistic towards people in general. Then you call me out over some softball "gas" remark? Seems like you're just trying to get one over on me once I pointed out that your whole life will always revolve around fossil fuels, solar or not. Unless you move into a mud hut and use clay jars for your food goods and an abacus for your computing.:LOL:
 
VonBonfire said:
I have tried to be civil with you but you are fairly antagonistic towards people in general. Then you call me out over some softball "gas" remark? Seems like you're just trying to get one over on me once I pointed out that your whole life will always revolve around fossil fuels, solar or not. Unless you move into a mud hut and use clay jars for your food goods and an abacus for your computing.:LOL:
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Like I said, I like you. That's why I don't put you on the ignore list. Chill mang.
 
JDs Couch said:
More than $2.2 trillion will go into clean energy and electrification this year, double that of fossil fuels
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I don't have a problem with it, I just don't think it's much more than a band aid fix at the moment. Once millions of panels have reached their shelf life you have trillions of pounds of toxic waste that will need to be disposed of.
 
VonBonfire said:
I don't have a problem with it, I just don't think it's much more than a band aid fix at the moment. Once millions of panels have reached their shelf life you have trillions of pounds of toxic waste that will need to be disposed of.
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They last at least 35 years, probably more like 50.
 
VonBonfire said:
I don't have a problem with it, I just don't think it's much more than a band aid fix at the moment. Once millions of panels have reached their shelf life you have trillions of pounds of toxic waste that will need to be disposed of.
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All that oil and gas gets disposed of as well. It's just that the garbage dump is the atmosphere and the garbage is invisible to the eye.
 
JDs Couch said:
They last at least 35 years, probably more like 50.
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I'm seeing 25-30 years. I was told they are very rugged then after getting some fist sized hailstorms in spring of 24 a bunch of people had a solar panel mess to clean up. I'm cool with having some to reduce my electric bill but I'd def be building some sort of shuttering system for them around here and tbh I'm not interested in having them tied to the grid. My initial interest in them was based around having independent, on-site power. The batteries are good for 3-5 years though, that's a lot of money maintaining the system. I would love to have a hydro setup more than anything....
 
VonBonfire said:
I'm seeing 25-30 years. I was told they are very rugged then after getting some fist sized hailstorms in spring of 24 a bunch of people had a solar panel mess to clean up. I'm cool with having some to reduce my electric bill but I'd def be building some sort of shuttering system for them around here and tbh I'm not interested in having them tied to the grid. My initial interest in them was based around having independent, on-site power. The batteries are good for 3-5 years though, that's a lot of money maintaining the system. I would love to have a hydro setup more than anything....
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Look into new LiFePo batteries man. They aren't much more expensive and last a LOT longer. I'm all in favor of off grid living and resilience. That's why I have off grid solar, batteries, 3 EVs, rainwater storage, recycling greywater, and grow 50-60% of my food.
You should check out this great book by a SW American bloke (I think Arizona?).
It's called Rainwater Harvesting for Drylands and Beyond. Brad Lancaster.
 
VonBonfire said:
I'm seeing 25-30 years. I was told they are very rugged then after getting some fist sized hailstorms in spring of 24 a bunch of people had a solar panel mess to clean up. I'm cool with having some to reduce my electric bill but I'd def be building some sort of shuttering system for them around here and tbh I'm not interested in having them tied to the grid. My initial interest in them was based around having independent, on-site power. The batteries are good for 3-5 years though, that's a lot of money maintaining the system. I would love to have a hydro setup more than anything....
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If you have a creek with strong regular flow, small scale hydro is a good option. Just don't block the whole waterway, allow for fish spawning etc.
 
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