Considering new speakers for a 4x12 Marshall cab UPDATE!

[harddriver]

Gentlemen.... I've been running 2 Scumback M75 65 watt and 2 WGS ET65's in this cab for a long time. I already have a 4x12 with all Scumback M75's another with original Blackback 25watt greenbacks another with original 12H-30 blackbacks.

I think I'm interested to load the cab in question with all four of the same speaker this time around since I mixed the M75 with the ET65. The two speakers that interest me is the Celestion creamback M65's but mostly I like the sound of the H75's more they seem to grind with a nice high end detail in all the clips I've heard the M65 seemed too dark. I think I'm just looking for something different that anther greenback variant.

To those that have heard the M65 next to the H75 what did you think about them? I play Marshall superleads, 2203's and modded Marshall's.

 

[maddnotez]

Ive only heard video clips. To me they're both good with the 75s being more aggressive.

 

[mixn4him]

Creamback H75's will be similar to your 12H-30 cab just more of the same. I would look at doing something completely different since you have the "Greenback" variants covered. Maybe a quad of Celestion G12-65's, they were the speaker for 2203's. If you want more sizzle than how about a quad V30's..Good luck, speakers are a worm hole but a lot of fun to experiment with!

 

[ChurchHill]

I'll second the G12-65, one of my favorite speakers. They sound great with my stock JMP 2203 and JCM 4104. I'm not a huge fan of V30s (even though I have several cabs with them), but they're definitely different than a Greenback.

How about a G12-K100? They can be pretty aggressive and don't sound like a Greenback. What about an Alnico Gold (or Blue or Cream)? How about a Fane F70? Personally, I don't think the M65 Creambacks sound like Greenbacks, but that's just my opinion.

 

[MetalHeadMike]

I'll second the G12-65, one of my favorite speakers. They sound great with my stock JMP 2203 and JCM 4104. I'm not a huge fan of V30s (even though I have several cabs with them), but they're definitely different than a Greenback.

How about a G12-K100? They can be pretty aggressive and don't sound like a Greenback. What about an Alnico Gold (or Blue or Cream)? How about a Fane F70? Personally, I don't think the M65 Creambacks sound like Greenbacks, but that's just my opinion.

I'll second the G12K-100 They have a nice high end detail and are fairly balanced in the mids while being pretty articulate. Can handle a shite ton of low end and volume too!

 

[ChurchHill]

Years ago, my main stage rig consisted of two 4x12s with G12K85 (same as G12K100) running stereo with a Boogie Studio Pre and a Peavey Classic 50/50 power amp. The G12Ks held up to everything that the Studio Pre could dish out. The lows stayed tight without farting out and there was plenty of cut without becoming harsh. No mid honk, either, just BIG sound that always fit right in. Still have that cab as well as a Diezel 412FK. While the Diezel's not as worn in as the older cab, it still gets the same sound. Big, balanced, aggressive, tight. Sounds great with my 2203, too, and everything else I've run through it.

 

[Rex Rocker]

I don't find Creamback M-65's to be dark, but yeah, H-75's are definitely brighter. Rather than strident (like V30's), they're sizzly/attacky and kinda scratchy. I've got a pair in my Marshall cab. They've still got a hint of the Greenback-y woody low-mids (they are, after all, still somewhat related to Greenbacks), but they're much more open in the highs. They're also tighter.

 

[FourT6and2]

I have a Bogner 4x12 with V30s, one with Chinese G12M-25 Greenbacks, and one with G12H-75 Creambacks. Used to have one loaded with original G12-65s from the '80s.

My favorite is and has always been the standard Chinese G12M-25 Greenbacks. That said, the G12H-75 Creambacks are nice. They have that Greenback tone as a foundation. But are tighter and handle more volume and power. A tiny bit brighter on the highs. But my speakers are still fairly new and not really broken in all that much. They sound better with more modern high-gain voiced amps IMO. The O.G. G12-65s are good with really bright amps. But you have to push them exceptionally hard to get the goods. At low volumes they are too round and wooly sounding. Push some air with them and they start to shine and take on a vocal, violin-like quality.

V30s are V30s. Everybody knows what's up there.

If you want something different, Celestion has a bunch of new speakers out, that I've never tried at least. The A type, V type, neo this and neo that, copperback, and some others.

 

[harddriver]

I have a Mesa Roadster 2x12 with their Vintage 30's and they actually sound really good even with the Plexi/Superlead amps I have. I kind of went down the greenback road with the Scumback's and the 65 road with the ET65's and mixed them, I think I'm just bored with them. Just not digging them in this cab, this cab was dropped hard in shipping years ago, and sheared the magnets off two of the original H-30's, not sure if this has anything to do with this particular cab not being up to par or not . For some reason I like the H75 creamback clips over the M65's.

I did not like the Anniversary H30's the ones I had were really harsh even after breaking them in and another guy I know got them and they were harsh too. I wonder if the Heritage H-30's are better?

I seem to be gravitating to the H-30 H75's. That would give me two greenback cabs and two H-30 cabs. I really like my original H-30 blackback cab. I guess I just have to jump in an grab some H75's or H-30's and run them to see.

Thanks for all the descriptions I appreciate all the input.

 

[harddriver]

I don't find Creamback M-65's to be dark, but yeah, H-75's are definitely brighter. Rather than strident (like V30's), they're sizzly/attacky and kinda scratchy. I've got a pair in my Marshall cab. They've still got a hint of the Greenback-y woody low-mids (they are, after all, still somewhat related to Greenbacks), but they're much more open in the highs. They're also tighter.

Your description of the H75 sounds about what I am looking for... a Greenback woody mid but with the high end tighter detail of the H30 75hz.

FWIW the Mesa's V30 are warmer and less strident in the mids like regular V-30. I was actually surprised how good they sounded with my 69 superlead.

Your description may have sealed the deal on my decision. THX!

 

[splatter]

Creamback H75's will be similar to your 12H-30 cab just more of the same. I would look at doing something completely different since you have the "Greenback" variants covered. Maybe a quad of Celestion G12-65's, they were the speaker for 2203's. If you want more sizzle than how about a quad V30's..Good luck, speakers are a worm hole but a lot of fun to experiment with!

I have to disagree. I have 2- 4x12 cabs loaded with g12h-30 and a 2x12 loaded with the creamback H-75's . I a/b the speakers when I first got the creambacks putting 2 g12's and 2 creambacks in the same cab. Then I used a cab switcher and set the cab for stereo so I could play through one set and instantly switch to the other.
The creambacks are much more agressive and have more top end.

 

[ChurchHill]

Splatter... which G12H30s? 55Hz or 75Hz or Anniversaries? I would guess that the Creamback H30 would be closer to the 75Hz Heritage, but I don't have any of the Creamback H30s.

 

[Speeddemon]

I'll third the G12-65 and G12K100 (or K85) & (ideally vintage Pulsonic coned) G12H30-55Hz recommendations.

And I would advise against the G12M-65 Creambacks. Had one for awhile in a 2x12; quite aggressive with typical Marshall circuits.

Smooth+chunky would be: G12-65's on top, G12H30-55Hz on bottom.
Mild, balanced, but very chunky and powerful would be: G12-65's on top, G12K100's bottom. POWWWAH!

 

[Racerxrated]

I'll second the G12-65, one of my favorite speakers. They sound great with my stock JMP 2203 and JCM 4104. I'm not a huge fan of V30s (even though I have several cabs with them), but they're definitely different than a Greenback.

How about a G12-K100? They can be pretty aggressive and don't sound like a Greenback. What about an Alnico Gold (or Blue or Cream)? How about a Fane F70? Personally, I don't think the M65 Creambacks sound like Greenbacks, but that's just my opinion.

Been up/down the speaker mountain and I will also suggest the G12 65. Far and away the best for a Marshall, even better than GBs which I also love. Desert Island cab for me and my Wizard would be my 83 1960a with 65s.

 

[HeyNow]

I'd be careful using the Creamback 65. Some people have had issues.

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index ... t-26700585

I'd probably go H55s if I were you.

I have a 4x12 with G12M 75 Hz (1972), 4x12 with G12H 55 Hz (1970), and am filling another with Scumback H75 PVCs

I've had the H75 + M55 in a 2x12 and loved the sound.

 

[ChurchHill]

Hope I didn't cause any confusion. In my recommendation of the G12-65, I was referring to the Heritage G12-65 and NOT the Creamback G12M65. Just wanted to clarify that a little. I do like both speakers, but the Heritage G12-65 is by far my favorite.

 

[harddriver]

I'll second the G12-65, one of my favorite speakers. They sound great with my stock JMP 2203 and JCM 4104. I'm not a huge fan of V30s (even though I have several cabs with them), but they're definitely different than a Greenback.

How about a G12-K100? They can be pretty aggressive and don't sound like a Greenback. What about an Alnico Gold (or Blue or Cream)? How about a Fane F70? Personally, I don't think the M65 Creambacks sound like Greenbacks, but that's just my opinion.

Been up/down the speaker mountain and I will also suggest the G12 65. Far and away the best for a Marshall, even better than GBs which I also love. Desert Island cab for me and my Wizard would be my 83 1960a with 65s.

Well after much consideration I am on the verge of ordering a quad of Heritage G12-65. Hey Racerxrated what exactly can I expect from a quad of these? Are they wooly at lower volume use as 4T6&2 says. I know you are the resident expert on the G12-65's.

Have you heard the new Heritage 12G-65 compared to your originals and how woudl they compare to say a Sumback M75 65 watt.

 

[blackie13]

I used to have those G12-65's and they were dope when crancked...
But only when crancked and pushed...
I found out that the more inefficient speaker the more you will have to push it to sound good...
My g12m's and 65's were too wooly at low volumes and I don't mean TV volumes...

V30 as much as I dislike them, and G12H30's(my faves) are great even at low volumes...

 

[harddriver]

I used to have those G12-65's and they were dope when crancked...
But only when crancked and pushed...
I found out that the more inefficient speaker the more you will have to push it to sound good...
My g12m's and 65's were too wooly at low volumes and I don't mean TV volumes...

V30 as much as I dislike them, and G12H30's(my faves) are great even at low volumes...

I would have to agree with your assessment, I was playing my Blackback 12m25 cab the other day and they did not start sounding good until I really pushed them with some volume. My Mesa V-30 2x12 cab does sound good at any volume level. This is something to think about, thanks for the comments.

 

[Hamer95USA]

I love the Celestion G12C (from a Marshall Vintage Modern 4x12 cab) and Vintage 30 speaker combination that I installed in my Marshall JCM900 4x12 cab. Nice woody tone from the G12C speakers and the midrange punch/balls from the Vintage 30 speakers.

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