Cool Ozzy w/ Randy bootleg on youtube

[JConstantineLV]

I think Randy without doubt would have evolved...he was a teacher at his core. How and where? Who knows but clearly he had a thirst for knowledge and wanted to push himself past Ozzy. Just 25, we only got a sample of what he was capable of IMO. Oddly I never felt Jake was all that technical compared to Randy. Great player though...still think his best work was the Bark album.

Did you not listen to Badlands? OMG the guitar work on that stuff was phenomenal! Not that Jake was as good as Randy, but Jake was still a monster.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

I dunno guys, I honestly think Jake's stretching and some of his rythm work is mind blowing. (shot in the dark, Bark , Killer of Giants intro etc..) Randy didn't write the riffs Jake did, they seemed more straight forward. Lead wise, bark at the moon or Journey to the Center of the Universe for example, can hang run for run with anything off Blizzard. I can't say either is better as both were great and I judge the merit of the player on what they wrote not just the Batio pinball wizard effect. Jake's use of harmonics is crazy as well. Where Zakk absolutely kills it, is on his pentatonic runs. He did some wicked shit inside that pentatonic box not to mention that crazy vibrato.

 

[jabps]

I think Randy without doubt would have evolved...he was a teacher at his core. How and where? Who knows but clearly he had a thirst for knowledge and wanted to push himself past Ozzy. Just 25, we only got a sample of what he was capable of IMO. Oddly I never felt Jake was all that technical compared to Randy. Great player though...still think his best work was the Bark album.

Did you not listen to Badlands? OMG the guitar work on that stuff was phenomenal! Not that Jake was as good as Randy, but Jake was still a monster.

Yes of course in fact arguably my fav is Dusk. I said Jake was a great player. He was back then. Heck I watched him and Eric Singer get into a shouting match onstage one time when they came through Nashville. Jake's backline at that show were the Orange Marshalls.

 

[jabps]

I dunno guys, I honestly think Jake's stretching and some of his rythm work is mind blowing. (shot in the dark, Bark , Killer of Giants intro etc..) Randy didn't write the riffs Jake did, they seemed more straight forward. Lead wise, bark at the moon or Journey to the Center of the Universe for example, can hang run for run with anything off Blizzard. I can't say either is better as both were great and I judge the merit of the player on what they wrote not just the Batio pinball wizard effect. Jake's use of harmonics is crazy as well. Where Zakk absolutely kills it, is on his pentatonic runs. He did some wicked shit inside that pentatonic box not to mention that crazy vibrato.

Riffs/tunes...hard to get more iconic that Crazy Train, Flying High, Over the Mountain etc... It's cool, we'll just have to disagree. As a young player in that era things were moving fast with the expansion of player knowledge...Zakk with Ozzy was fantastic but then again he had two other players in Ozzy's realm alone to draw from, not to mention dozens of guitarist that were pushing the envelope.

When Randy came out, you really only had EVH. From there it just exploded in short order with Sykes, Akira, Vivian, Adrian, Carlos, Lynch, Warren and then of course Jake and others. Btw/ as I've said Jakes a great player, for awhile he was one of my favorites. I'll say this I loved watching it happen back then. From players to guitars to amps to music to tones...it was all growing constantly.

 

[phil b]

If I remember correctly he was gonna do the live album and one more studio album then split but it’s been 10 yrs since I’ve read that book

That's what he said.

Hhmm. I remember reading he was only contracted to do one more album and the live album was it, which he was gonna do under protest... Now I gotta go back and reread that section.

 

[sg guy]

-who knows what would of happend, most of everything was all based off the OZZY DEATH WATCH.... nobody thought he would be alive in 6 months.. That's why they rushed BLIZZARD & DIARY. They had to CA$H-IN QUICK!!!

 

[hammered]

I dunno guys, I honestly think Jake's stretching and some of his rythm work is mind blowing. (shot in the dark, Bark , Killer of Giants intro etc..) Randy didn't write the riffs Jake did, they seemed more straight forward. Lead wise, bark at the moon or Journey to the Center of the Universe for example, can hang run for run with anything off Blizzard. I can't say either is better as both were great and I judge the merit of the player on what they wrote not just the Batio pinball wizard effect. Jake's use of harmonics is crazy as well. Where Zakk absolutely kills it, is on his pentatonic runs. He did some wicked shit inside that pentatonic box not to mention that crazy vibrato.

Riffs/tunes...hard to get more iconic that Crazy Train, Flying High, Over the Mountain etc... It's cool, we'll just have to disagree. As a young player in that era things were moving fast with the expansion of player knowledge...Zakk with Ozzy was fantastic but then again he had two other players in Ozzy's realm alone to draw from, not to mention dozens of guitarist that were pushing the envelope.

When Randy came out, you really only had EVH. From there it just exploded in short order with Sykes, Akira, Vivian, Adrian, Carlos, Lynch, Warren and then of course Jake and others. Btw/ as I've said Jakes a great player, for awhile he was one of my favorites. I'll say this I loved watching it happen back then. From players to guitars to amps to music to tones...it was all growing constantly.

There were other guitarist other than Ed and before Ed and Randy around . Michael Schenker , Gary Moore , Uli and Frank Marino come to mind but they weren’t as big a name as Ed of course

 

[hammered]

If I remember correctly he was gonna do the live album and one more studio album then split but it’s been 10 yrs since I’ve read that book

That's what he said.

Hhmm. I remember reading he was only contracted to do one more album and the live album was it, which he was gonna do under protest... Now I gotta go back and reread that section.

Go to page 227 in Rudy’s book

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

No shame in having diferences of opinions. Despite what I think of Jake, listening to Randy still gives me goosebumps when I hear these bootlegs. I don't really have a favourite, they both are/were phenomenal players. As to there being only VH and Randy around however, that I would also disagree with as we already had Uli Roth, Schenker, some fusion guys etc.. if I can be honest, I think Schenker hangs with both Jake and Randy and although he turned down the gig, I can only imagine of how damn amazing he would have been. I can imagine some of those lead breaks and outro solos with huge delay and that slow sweeping wah. Talk about sonic thunder. Absolutely love MS, he's nother magical sort of player and nobody does him like him.there aren't many clones around..

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

We'd have to be crazy to think that Randy would not have seen or heard this or players like this.. from 74'. Not even playing with that much gain but slaying on Rock Bottom. It is probably what pushed him to be so kick ass.

or

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

How did we forget this guy? 1980 - Was he born with the fury in his hands??? He just didn't have a big name backing him.

 

[Panzer917-30]

I'm gonna weigh in on the" what would of happened with Randy" line of thought.

Randy is one of my all time favorites, so anything I say is not a slight on my respect for him.

1.Randy was a great guitarist and was becoming more unique as he matured away from LA.
2. Randy was not a good songwriter, by himself or as a leader.
3. Without Bob Daisley the Blizzard of Ozz would have been avg to forgettable.
4. Randy would have fully embraced the classical world where composition is minor compared to technical proficiency.
5. If Randy returned to Rock/Metal he would have needed a strong and literate writing partner.
6. Without a strong partner he would have been absorbed into the obscurity of academia.

7. After reading most of the Ozzy/Randy books articles etc, I don't think its likely that Ozzy/Sharon would have let him out of the contract no matter what. I don't this they would have honored the 'live Album' condition and released him. The Arden's played hardball with everyone. Randy would have been stuck until he no longer performed or did something drastic and public to get away. Under this scenario he probably would have stopped performing entirely.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

I would agree with that.. I think people in death take on a greater legacy than they do in life sometimes. If you look at some of the riffs that made it onto Blizzard, you can hear that they have their root in Quiet Riot. However, if you compare the end product between how those riffs were used in QR with how Bob Daisley helped shape them.. it is night and day. I am not sure Randy's song writing was as strong as his playing and there is no shame in saying that. I suspect you are also right about Sharon... unbelievable almost how much of a bitch she is. No loyalty, fuck people over where she chose and Ozzy can hide behind the wasted all the time line but at a certain point if you aren't putting your foot down for the guys that work hard for you, what kind of a person are you.

 

[harddriver]

Very cool. It's amazing there is almost no video of this guy. How can that be? The best vid out there is the one from the live set at the TV studio.

Here you guys go, this one is good.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Yeah that's the "after hours" footage which is really clear. Almost a shame there isn't a full set of that. There are some really cool blurry footage vids on youtube too with some awesome playing to match.

 

[Rock Bodom]

My take on "what would have happened to Randy":

1) He would have completed one more album with Ozzy, but then quit the band just before the tour started, announcing he was leaving the hard rock world.
2) A year goes by and not much is heard, then we finally get a short update that he has been studying classical music and still working on new song ideas. Says he'll never go back to a big hard rock act.
3) Another year goes by, and then suddenly he in Whitesnake.
4) That lasts for one tour and then a year goes by before we hear anything.
5) He starts his own solo hard rock band, everyone raves how good his tone is and what a great debut album, better than anything he did in Ozzy. Nobody actually buys the album. They open up for Winger for a bit. They break up.
6) 4 years go by, nothing.
7) Surprises everyone with a new solo album, grungy hard rock (we're in the 90's now). Everyone is pissed and confused, nobody buys it.
8) 2 years later, Randy is seen hanging out with Ozzy, rumor mill goes crazy on a reunion.
9) No reunion happens.
10) 8 years go by, nothing happens. Rumor is he's working at the family pizza joint. Also rumor he may have gone bald.
11) During an Ozzy tour, everyone is shocked when Randy joins a few shows as a guest for a couple of songs. His volume is much lower than the other guitar player's, we hardly his hear the solo on Crazy Train. Everyone argues as to whether he is still good.
12) 2 years later, the full Ozzy/Randy reunion is announced! For a handful of shows in Japan only.
13) After the Japan gig, Randy is asked about his future plans. He says he is thinking about going into watch-making.

 

[jabps]

I dunno guys, I honestly think Jake's stretching and some of his rythm work is mind blowing. (shot in the dark, Bark , Killer of Giants intro etc..) Randy didn't write the riffs Jake did, they seemed more straight forward. Lead wise, bark at the moon or Journey to the Center of the Universe for example, can hang run for run with anything off Blizzard. I can't say either is better as both were great and I judge the merit of the player on what they wrote not just the Batio pinball wizard effect. Jake's use of harmonics is crazy as well. Where Zakk absolutely kills it, is on his pentatonic runs. He did some wicked shit inside that pentatonic box not to mention that crazy vibrato.

Riffs/tunes...hard to get more iconic that Crazy Train, Flying High, Over the Mountain etc... It's cool, we'll just have to disagree. As a young player in that era things were moving fast with the expansion of player knowledge...Zakk with Ozzy was fantastic but then again he had two other players in Ozzy's realm alone to draw from, not to mention dozens of guitarist that were pushing the envelope.

When Randy came out, you really only had EVH. From there it just exploded in short order with Sykes, Akira, Vivian, Adrian, Carlos, Lynch, Warren and then of course Jake and others. Btw/ as I've said Jakes a great player, for awhile he was one of my favorites. I'll say this I loved watching it happen back then. From players to guitars to amps to music to tones...it was all growing constantly.

There were other guitarist other than Ed and before Ed and Randy around . Michael Schenker , Gary Moore , Uli and Frank Marino come to mind but they weren’t as big a name as Ed of course

Of course there was. Pre-blues Gary is in my top 5 all time. I was speaking of the onslaught of guys after EVH kicked the doors down.

 

[jabps]

No shame in having diferences of opinions.

Absolutley.

 

[jabps]

I'm gonna weigh in on the" what would of happened with Randy" line of thought.

Randy is one of my all time favorites, so anything I say is not a slight on my respect for him.

1.Randy was a great guitarist and was becoming more unique as he matured away from LA.
2. Randy was not a good songwriter, by himself or as a leader.
3. Without Bob Daisley the Blizzard of Ozz would have been avg to forgettable.
4. Randy would have fully embraced the classical world where composition is minor compared to technical proficiency.
5. If Randy returned to Rock/Metal he would have needed a strong and literate writing partner.
6. Without a strong partner he would have been absorbed into the obscurity of academia.

7. After reading most of the Ozzy/Randy books articles etc, I don't think its likely that Ozzy/Sharon would have let him out of the contract no matter what. I don't this they would have honored the 'live Album' condition and released him. The Arden's played hardball with everyone. Randy would have been stuck until he no longer performed or did something drastic and public to get away. Under this scenario he probably would have stopped performing entirely.

Essentially Bob Daisley's impact can never be underestimated. Amazing that Sharon and Ozzy couldn't have taken care of this guy financially as they should have. I mean even after they screwed him...he still helped them numerous times. And as he said, he had no choice, he had to at least make "some" money to pay the bills.

Bob's book is fantastic, must read.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

My take on "what would have happened to Randy":

1) He would have completed one more album with Ozzy, but then quit the band just before the tour started, announcing he was leaving the hard rock world.
2) A year goes by and not much is heard, then we finally get a short update that he has been studying classical music and still working on new song ideas. Says he'll never go back to a big hard rock act.
3) Another year goes by, and then suddenly he in Whitesnake.
4) That lasts for one tour and then a year goes by before we hear anything.
5) He starts his own solo hard rock band, everyone raves how good his tone is and what a great debut album, better than anything he did in Ozzy. Nobody actually buys the album. They open up for Winger for a bit. They break up.
6) 4 years go by, nothing.
7) Surprises everyone with a new solo album, grungy hard rock (we're in the 90's now). Everyone is pissed and confused, nobody buys it.
8) 2 years later, Randy is seen hanging out with Ozzy, rumor mill goes crazy on a reunion.
9) No reunion happens.
10) 8 years go by, nothing happens. Rumor is he's working at the family pizza joint. Also rumor he may have gone bald.
11) During an Ozzy tour, everyone is shocked when Randy joins a few shows as a guest for a couple of songs. His volume is much lower than the other guitar player's, we hardly his hear the solo on Crazy Train. Everyone argues as to whether he is still good.
12) 2 years later, the full Ozzy/Randy reunion is announced! For a handful of shows in Japan only.
13) After the Japan gig, Randy is asked about his future plans. He says he is thinking about going into watch-making.

lol love it! I would say pretty damn close to what likely would have transpired... you missed the Quiet Riot reunion though. 20 cities, 20 clubs, May- August only. Probably would have been bitchin to see him up close though!