Cult's Sonic Temple, any ideas on how it was recorded?

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Inspired by Ghosty's thread on the Lange sound, I would be interested in hearing what people know or have heard about the Cult's Sonic Temple. The whole thing sounds so huge to me... especially the guitars. They seem to be slightly in the back ground but occupy a huge sonic space. The main melodies on Firewoman for example are verbed out and sound like they are recorded in huge stadium... is the formula on the rythms similar? Am I hearing multiple cabs/speakers/mics rolled into one rythm track or is that effect achieved also with verb and a simple 2 mic setup with a room mic as a third? Maybe each track has been double tracked making the result 2 tracks L and 2 tracks R of individual performances. Maybe a Chorus all over the rythm guitars is the key? Not finding much by way of the recording process ... maybe i am just a sucker for the Bob Rock approach but he makes things sound huge and I would be interested if I could get something similar.It is a bit dated by today's standard but that is what I like about it.

Another thing I wondered is whether anyone else thinks that snare is a replacement snare. Too perfect on every hit and only deviates slightly on rolls/fills. Probably became a standard approach by the late 80's on most projects seeing as the drumming in most of these songs is fairly straightforward and does not involve a lot of snare dynamics or subtleties like ghost hits or rim shots.
 
I guess I didn't realize that Mutt produced that one. If so, no wonder I've always dug it! I've always wanted to cover "American Horse" in a heavier drop-D format.
 
Bob Rock produced it unless I am mistaken but no difference, another producer with a formula! I guess these guys all have reputations for a reason. The bands write the music but the producers have so much to do with the sound. I mean, you would not want Mutt producing Nirvana for example lol..that would have been horrible
 
Kapo_Polenton":2ihxqdda said:
Bob Rock produced it unless I am mistaken but no difference, another producer with a formula! I guess these guys all have reputations for a reason. The bands write the music but the producers have so much to do with the sound. I mean, you would not want Mutt producing Nirvana for example lol..that would have been horrible

Oh, gotchya. Yeah... it's an awesome recording and production, but didn't fit Mutt's mold.

There were definitely some monster rock producers who really showed-up in the 80s. Peter Collins and Martin Birch would be another couple of names I'd throw out there.
 
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Kapo_Polenton":z2spp2m3 said:
Bob Rock produced it unless I am mistaken but no difference, another producer with a formula! I guess these guys all have reputations for a reason. The bands write the music but the producers have so much to do with the sound. I mean, you would not want Mutt producing Nirvana for example lol..that would have been horrible

Oh, gotchya. Yeah... it's an awesome recording and production, but didn't fit Mutt's mold.

There were definitely some monster rock producers who really showed-up in the 80s. Peter Collins and Martin Birch would be another couple of names I'd throw out there.

Oh yeah, Martin Birch did Black Sabbath's Mob Rules.....did he do Heaven and Hell also?
 
alan67":b5pm1zfl said:
Red_Label":b5pm1zfl said:
Kapo_Polenton":b5pm1zfl said:
Bob Rock produced it unless I am mistaken but no difference, another producer with a formula! I guess these guys all have reputations for a reason. The bands write the music but the producers have so much to do with the sound. I mean, you would not want Mutt producing Nirvana for example lol..that would have been horrible

Oh, gotchya. Yeah... it's an awesome recording and production, but didn't fit Mutt's mold.

There were definitely some monster rock producers who really showed-up in the 80s. Peter Collins and Martin Birch would be another couple of names I'd throw out there.

Oh yeah, Martin Birch did Black Sabbath's Mob Rules.....did he do Heaven and Hell also?

Not sure, but I do know that he did some of Maiden's albums of the time.
 
Can't really add anything other than to say that the guitar tones on that album are stellar.
 
I'm keeping this thread alive in the hopes that someone will know something more or else yeah.... "expensively" will have to do!

Let's guess:

Left and Right rythm track each the combination of an AC30 and Marshall or a Roland

Chorus and verb

Greenbacks?
 
alan67":k6t0069z said:
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Kapo_Polenton":k6t0069z said:
Bob Rock produced it unless I am mistaken but no difference, another producer with a formula! I guess these guys all have reputations for a reason. The bands write the music but the producers have so much to do with the sound. I mean, you would not want Mutt producing Nirvana for example lol..that would have been horrible

Oh, gotchya. Yeah... it's an awesome recording and production, but didn't fit Mutt's mold.

There were definitely some monster rock producers who really showed-up in the 80s. Peter Collins and Martin Birch would be another couple of names I'd throw out there.

Oh yeah, Martin Birch did Black Sabbath's Mob Rules.....did he do Heaven and Hell also?

Yes he did H&H also
 
I dug around more last night and was able to find an article where they discussed his tone and he mentioned that everything on after 1983 (specifically mentioned Sonic Temple) had his Marshall combined with the JC 120 set to clean and chorus. The blend of the two is what creates the punch. Might try a VST plugin of a Fender type with chorus next time I record my MArshalls and see how that fits together.
 
Just revisiting this thread as i think I have new insight after listening to Sonic Temple on rotation a few times. What I am pretty sure I hear on a lot of it, is obviously two guitars L and R (not hard panned) and melodies up the center but more importantly for that huge sound, a pitch shifter. I am almost positive that there is some pitch shifting detuning thing going on alla Hagar era Van Halen and some delay added to really give it depth. I think this is the secret sauce here as it provides a deep chorus effect and sounds like more than one guitar. I then think Bob Rock backs off of it during the main rythms so it doesn't swim so much for the rest of the song and he brings it back in before solos.In other words, let's the vocals be the focus and when there aren't any, beefs it up. Am I imagining things or is this a common 80's girth practice? Probably used for those first cords on Still of the Night as well. They sound huge too.
 
2" tape. Almost a lost art form recording on that media. Nobody wants to deal with it. I know some guys still record to tape and then transfer to digital to do the edits. The sound of recording to tape just cant be replicated in my opinion. Especially on guitars and drums.
 
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