Delay pedals - analog or digital?

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Been reall y starting to crave a darker warmer repeat of an analog delay. Been using digital for as long as ive been using delays. what are most guys using these days? are there drawbacks to switching to an analog delay?
 
Bro you should try Wampler Analogecho. I have it and it kills! Nice dark analog tones and really warms up the spectrum. You will not be disappointed I promise. :thumbsup:
 
Both! analog voiced digital.

The secret to the sound of analog delay is the high frequency filtering. each repeat has less and less high content resulting in a sound that seems to travel further in a spacial sense.

Many new digital delays have this high frequency filtering that convincingly emulates the old analog delays.

the added benefits are no clock noise, longer delay times and lower prices as they don't rely on very hard to find chips.
 
Dude... Seriously. My search, a very, very lengthy and long and drawn out and detailed search led me - happily and most certainly completely - to Eventide's products.

Time Factor. With upgradeable BIOS (for lack of a better term).

Smart.

V.
 
droptrd":1afdili3 said:
so the analog ones can be noisy?

there can be inherent "clock noise", yes.
heres some interseting reading on the subject courtesy of pedal guru Mark Hammer.

There are a few ways that clock noise is reduced in analog delays.

Most BBD chips have two complementary outputs, A and B. In some cases (e.g., MN3010, SAD1024), the chip will be in two halves, each with their own A and B output. These two outputs produce complementary signals. As you know (I hope), *two* opposite phase clock signals have to go to the BBD chip. Each clock signal is responsible for one of the BBD outputs. When the two outputs are mixed in a perfectly balanced way, the opposite-phase clock signals from each output cancel each other, in exactly the same way that the two coils of a humbucker pickup add their audio signals together but cancel their hum signals. Substitute clock noise for hum in the BBD and you have the same thing.

To produce the cancellation, manufacturers use a variety of methods. Some use a balance trimpot on the two BBD outputs. Others use two equal value fixed resistors. Others just tie the two outputs together (essentially zero ohm resistors).
There are problems with each approach. Trimpots gets dislodged over time. Equal value resistors may not be perfectly equal. Even when there is no resistor, the two halves of the BBD may not put out precisely equivalent signals, so some balancing may still be needed.

The ideal, of course, is to have a multi-turn trimpot and a scope, although you can tune it by ear if you have a good ear. I suppose thew other thing to assist in tuning by ear is to eliminate all the bass and midrange in whatever source you are listening through. The clock signal, even at its' lowest, is unlikely to be lower than 4khz or so you can even tune by ear through a piezo tweeter for that matter. If your unit lacks a trimpot, you can probably be safe using a linear trimpot of about 5-10k. I may be wrong about that, but after poring over dozens and dozens of BBD-based schematics, I've rarely seen one higher in value. If it is no problem to find, buy, and install a higher quality trimpot, even a multi-turn one, do it.

The other approach to reducing clock noise is to use lowpass filtering after the BBD. Just about every BBD-based effect does this, although some have more stages of lowpass filtering than others. Depending on the design, some manufacturers chose to let a little clock signal get through at very long delays so they could have more bandwidth at shorter delays. They *could* have chosen to have switches or pots to change the filter setting, but that would have increased cost. Instead, they chose to allow one flaw in order to create another virtue. If you know the model number and a schematic is circulating around for that model, we could identify the filter component values to change that would reduce the audible clock signal.
 
good read. thanks bro.

Im also thinking about building a Way Huge Aqua Puss clone. I know its only 300ms but thats enuff for me.
 
droptrd":260t5jai said:
good read. thanks bro.

Im also thinking about building a Way Huge Aqua Puss clone. I know its only 300ms but thats enuff for me.


Do it the aqua puss does sound pretty nice, I built the aquaboy version from "you obviously know where..."

you could also just buy it again FYI.

http://www.jimdunlop.com/blog/?p=825
 
This might seem lame considering how far delays have come but I just use an old DOD analog delay, it's the one in the blue shell. It was made maybe in 90' or so. I don't really set it for repeats but just for a little bit of trail after the pic attack, it adds so much to the sound, I love that little pedal. It of course will do repeats but it is best for the way I use it , it just adds the mojo and loose kind of vibe to the sound whether it be playing riffs or leads.
 
Both!!

Apples to Oranges to me, I use them for different things

Analog for the searing solos and smooth/liquidy leads and for the ambiance and feel

Digital for the cool perfect repeats and nifty delay licks (like Paul Gilbert's echo song)

Funny, because I use a Deluxe Memory Man right now for my analog delay and I'm currently looking around for a Boss Digital Delay (had one before, but sold it :()
 
I'm not sure yet. I'm borrowing my bassist's Carbon Copy, but I think I'm starting to dislike it. I like my Timefactor a lot.
 
A little less versatile than the Timefactor, not including MIDI, but sounded better to me. If you're a knob twister and not a menu scroller then this is your delay.

 
Analog or Digital......BOTH :thumbsup:
As a delay-a-holic...you can never have enough of either.
 
moltenmetalburn":2yw366g8 said:
Both! analog voiced digital.

Did you mean digital voiced analog? :confused:

This delay rules. Best delay pedal I have ever heard/used. :rock:

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droptrd":1yu39667 said:
Been reall y starting to crave a darker warmer repeat of an analog delay. Been using digital for as long as ive been using delays. what are most guys using these days? are there drawbacks to switching to an analog delay?


I thought the empress delay was nice..



 
killertone":1dpaju79 said:
moltenmetalburn":1dpaju79 said:
Both! analog voiced digital.

Did you mean digital voiced analog? :confused:

This delay rules. Best delay pedal I have ever heard/used. :rock:

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damn Jason that is scary posted the same thing at the same time...
 
I use both .... I like the versatility of digital and the longer delays. But for tone I still feel analog is better, YMMV. Tape, BBD, Low bit, digital .... I own and use them all. They each have their own personality.
 
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