Diezel cab availability in Europe

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punchy

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I’m in Europe for a while and I’d like to see pick up a German made Diezel 4x12 front loaded, preferably with the G12k100 speakers. I can’t seem to find them in stock anywhere, so I’m wondering if anyone knows when they might be available or a place that might have them in stock. Looking at Thomann for example, they’ve been listing them as “available in months” for months now, and they also only have the v30 version available
 
I've already ordered a FL 4x12 V30 and one 4x12 Rear loaded V30 since november 2024 (Thomann ) ....more than an entire year without been delivered ...also wonder what' diezel 's problem.... Peter told me via email that is co partner Peter Stapfer can't deliver at the moment ...so don't know anything else ...so eager to be shipped .....if i will be one day....
 
Thank you @Pierre for the info, it's unfortunate to hear that you still haven't received yours after all that time.
 
If you’re okay with buying used gear, just check Kleinanzeigen. They pop up from time to time. Not many people are willing to ship a 4x12 cab, but you never know! I got one 4x12 from Frankfurt and another from Vienna; luckily, I live right in between and don't mind a long drive on the Autobahn.

It also helps to post a "Wanted" ad here. I’ve bought a lot of obscure gear that way: if you post what you’re looking for, eventually someone comes along with exactly what you need.

PS: Diezel cabs are awesome. I’d take them over any Mesa, Bogner, or Soldano—and they’re miles ahead of those Marshall cabs with the plastic handles that fall apart. I’ve found that Fryette cabs sound fairly similar to the Diezel 412FL(very in-your-face, fast response, tight low end).

I’ve owned both the V30 and G12K-100 versions. The K100 is good if you like that specific sound—they feel very fast and tight, but a bit hollow. The V30 is more of a jack of all trades.

It’s also worth looking into the Diezel 2x12 cabs. They are oversized (about 80% the size of a typical 4x12) but much lighter and more practical for gigs. Because of that Oversized thing, they sound bigger and less boxy than a typical 2x12, with an open top end that almost rivals a 4x12. I’d actually recommend the 2x12 over the 4x12 for home players; they have slightly less internal baffling, so they breathe better at lower volumes, whereas the 4x12 can feel a bit stiff until you crank the volume up.

That said, the 4x12 does stay a bit tighter and holds it all together better at really loud volume. Realistically, the 2x12 is more practical for home use or carrying to gigs, but I still prefer the 4x12—just for shits and giggles.
 
Thanks @belensky I wasn't aware of Kleinanzeigen but I'll be on the look out there as I definitely don't mind buying used cabs. I also don't mind taking a 6-10 hour road trip if needed for the right cab.

Thanks for your thoughts on the Diezel cabs. I'm still undecided on whether to go rear or front loaded, but I was thinking front just to have some variety and tonal options. I also splurged a bit when coming to Europe and got both a Herbert and VH-4 and my thinking was to use the Diezel FL cab with the k100s for the Herbert. At the end of the day though I'm not too fussed about which speakers it comes loaded with; the V30s I know will be good and can always swap them out later. I have a Mills cab with k100/v30 mix so I can always pick up a couple more k100s and move some speakers around.
 
I believe the biggest differences in tone come not necessarily from the speaker mounting (front vs. rear loading), but from the way the cabinets are constructed. There are several videos on YouTube where people recorded the same cab with speakers attached both front and back, and it’s not actually all that different—not compared to the construction of the cab itself.


Speaking of which, if you look at internal photos of Diezel FL cabs (their website has some), they have four internal baffles that connect the front to the back, effectively partially isolating the speakers from one another. This is quite unique to Diezel—though Fryette seems similar, or at least sounds similar to my ears. As a result, Diezel FL cabs are incredibly stiff and firmly built, and they are a touch smaller than, say, a Mesa Traditional or a Marshall cab.


Peter Stapfer mentioned that because the parts are CNC-cut, the joints are so tight they can hold together even before any glue or screws are applied. ENGL cabinets are somewhat similar sound-wise, but they achieve that firmness by using thicker wood blanks and less internal baffling. Personally, I’m not a fan of that approach; it makes them a lot heavier and results in a less dynamic sound. In contrast, Diezel cabs feel "alive" yet controlled due to the thinner walls and increased structural stiffness. It seems like they’re much more difficult to build—more parts and more work.


This seems to be the opposite philosophy compared to more traditional designs like Friedman, Bogner, or Mesa Traditional cabs, where the wood resonates a lot more and the construction itself is a lot "looser" to allow for a different type of sound.


I love Diezel FL cabs, but I don’t think they are for everyone. To me, they have a more "HD," refined sound. Even though I’m not a pro audio engineer, I feel like the Diezel FL sounds a lot more like a polished record and requires less EQ tweaking. Usually, I just trim the low-end rumble, cut the super highs to give space for cymbals, and cut some mids (around 700Hz) to free up space for the bass and drums. When I’ve messed with Mesa or Bogner cabs, I always felt they required more EQ tweaking to make them mix-ready.


For some people, Diezel cabs might feel a bit too "metal" or brutal sounding. To that, I’d say when recording, just use something more than an SM57. For example, I blend a Royer R121 with an SM57. The Royer is a ribbon mic with a lot of relaxed lows, so you can just blend them as necessary. In an IR environment, I love to blend a Diezel cab with something like a vintage Marshall with Greenbacks; they are much looser and woody sounding—basically the opposite in spirit. By mixing the two cabs, I can achieve whatever is necessary. Usually, on the Diezel, I go for a 40/60 blend of Royer/SM57 mics, with a 30/70 blend on the Marshall.


If you are familiar with IRs, try to get the Ownhammer impulses—I think it’s called the "Heavy Hitters" library. They have a Diezel cab with both V30 and K100 speakers, so you can see what you like. I actually ended up hating both of those speakers; the V30 is too "stock" sounding (just like everyone else), and the K100 didn’t work for me in real life or in IRs. I eventually swapped them all for Eminence Governor speakers, but that is a very subjective thing.


I don’t know much about the Diezel RL (Rear-Loaded) cabs, but from what I’ve heard, they are similar to regular Bogner cabs—think of them as more refined, "held-together" sounding Marshall cabs. I’d say buy whatever you can find, but I feel the FL is more of the true Diezel sound, whereas the RL is for people who like a traditional response.


Also, I would look up some old threads because Diezel cabs were originally manufactured in Germany before they moved production to the USA and changed makers several times. Eventually, they split production between German and USA-made cabs.
 
As far as mixing speakers in one cab: I personally hated the results. It seemed to emphasize the worst parts of both speakers (especially when I combined Celestion and Eminence speakers). Peter told me that there are potentially some phasing issues when mixing two different sets of speakers in one enclosure(k100 felt a lot faster than v30), and I definitely prefer the sound of two separate cabs with different speakers vs mixing speakers.
Obviously, guys like Bogner often mix V30+K100 or V30+T75, and Friedman cabs often mix V30s and Greenbacks, so maybe it’s just a matter of taste.
 
This baffling on the FL; there are four panels like that, so the front and back baffles are connected, and the speakers are a bit isolated one from another
 

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this is RL cab, very traditional baffling, like Mesa, Bogner etc
 

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Gerade bei #Kleinanzeigen gefunden. Wie findest du das?
https://www.kleinanzeigen.de/s-anze...buttons&utm_medium=social&utm_content=app_ios


Here is FL cab, great price.
Mein Deutsch ist überhaupt nicht gut, ich befinde mich gerade im niederländischsprachigen Teil Belgiens. Einiges vom Niederländischen hilft mir zwar beim Deutschen, aber nicht sehr viel.

I also saw that same cab earlier and think I'll get in touch with them.

@belensky that was a wealth of information, thank you so much. I went through the old posts and did notice the production difference between Germany and US, so while I'm in Europe I wanted to get one of the German made ones if I could. You've reinforced by decision to get their FL one. I do have those Ownhammer IRs and I had a listen, but unfortunately it wasn't with the Diezel amps as I had no way of connecting them to my computer here (the load box isn't here). I tried them with NAM and with most models I preferred the FL cabs.

I also agree with you on mixing speakers in the same cab. It's the only cab I've had and I didn't try to swap out speakers yet, but something has always felt off about it. I wouldn't do that again in the future, rather multiple cabs with different speakers if needed.
 
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