Diezel Herbert MKI, MKII, Bogner Uber Rev 2, or Twin Jet?

[moronmountain]

Which would you pick and why? I may be in the market for one of these 4 amps, but am curious about what y'all think just for the sake of asking. Also, if you know someone who has one of these for sale for a good price, PM me some info. If it's either of the Bogners, I would prefer a metal grill, but cloth wouldn't be a deal breaker if the price was right. Opinions welcome, but not interested in anything other than one of these 4 models. Thanks!

 

[moronmountain]

FWIW I don't care about clean channels either, so right now the Uber rev2 is in 4th place if only for that one reason. However, I would still be interested if it was the right deal.

 

[Les Zombie]

I own a 2008 herbert and a uberschall rev blue, i also had a twin jet but i didnt like the jet as much as my rev blue. I also played the rev 2 and it sounded nice. I like my herbert better than any of them. I rarely play my uber anymore and the herbert has been the amp ive played the most the last 2 yrs.

 

[maddnotez]

Don't sleep on the rev.2 its a beast of an amp.

Both TJ and Rev.2 are killer with the right tubes and dialed in right.

That is a very hard choice to decide between all of these amps.

I would honestly pick the rev.2. With my guitar and my taste in tone it was the best.

I am unsure which Mk Herbert I played. Most likely Mk.1 and it didn't get a fair chance due to limited time. I played quickly through each channel but really was only concerned with the brootz and for that ungodly brutal, crush your rib cage tone the Herbert is king.

The Bogners were just bigger and more organic sounding vs. The mid scoop chest pain brutality.

That would be my preference and price tag always plays a factor for me.

Its the same thing as Les is saying but on the other spectrum. Do you prefer ultra brutal compressed? Or a little more organic or loose if you will.

( that mid cut feature is very very nice on the diezel, was really impressed and was my favorite feature)

 

[moronmountain]

Don't sleep on the rev.2 its a beast of an amp.

Both TJ and Rev.2 are killer with the right tubes and dialed in right.

That is a very hard choice to decide between all of these amps.

I would honestly pick the rev.2. With my guitar and my taste in tone it was the best.

I am unsure which Mk Herbert I played. Most likely Mk.1 and it didn't get a fair chance due to limited time. I played quickly through each channel but really was only concerned with the brootz and for that ungodly brutal, crush your rib cage tone the Herbert is king.

The Bogners were just bigger and more organic sounding vs. The mid scoop chest pain brutality.

That would be my preference and price tag always plays a factor for me.

Its the same thing as Les is saying but on the other spectrum. Do you prefer ultra brutal compressed? Or a little more organic or loose if you will.

( that mid cut feature is very very nice on the diezel, was really impressed and was my favorite feature)

Whelp I already have a VHT/Fryette Ultra Lead which will always be my main. I actually don't know if I would rather organic or compressed. I used to own the first version Uberschall, and while I loved it, when I had to sell one of my amps, I kept the VHT. One of the biggest reasons was due to the amount of white noise the Uber made even with the guitar's volume off. I almost never use the clean channel on my UL, and I could easily do without it if I had to. The biggest reasons I lean towards the TJ over the rev 2 is because I tend to like the kt88's as I'm used to the clean/tight headroom they offer in my UL, the TJ has 2 channels that I would use a lot, and I worry about the rev 2 being noisy like my old rev 1 Uber. I also have always longed for a Herbert. I played an Einstein and loved it, but I always thought the Herbert would be more fitting for me. The Herby is a tad expensive though, and I really only care about channels 2 and 3. So in the end, I would basically be comparing the following....... Channels 2 and 3 on Herbert to both Twin Jet's channels, and rev 2's dirty channel. If you looked at it that way, then how would you answer then? Is the rev 2's dirty channel better than the 2 channels on each of the others?????????

 

[Ventura]

Bit of a price discrepancy between the 2 Bogners versus the Herbert.

Furthermore, they really are voiced in different camps. Herbert - to me - would be more versatile overall. I've had a Rev.2 and a TJ, and now own a TJ Purple Mod. I like the TJ a lot - it's got a lot of breadth it can cover with some patience on the EQ. Is it a Herbert? Gawd no... But both the TwinJet and the Uberschalls are incredibly well voiced amps for what they are. And furthermore, they're half the price of a Herbert.

Really depends on your style and tastes. I read you like "dry", the Herbert can get dry, but then also read maybe you want juicy organic chewy goodness... That'd be the Bogner camp.

I get where you're going. I own both. I own both because I have to own both

Good luck!!
Mo

 

[moronmountain]

Bit of a price discrepancy between the 2 Bogners versus the Herbert.

Furthermore, they really are voiced in different camps. Herbert - to me - would be more versatile overall. I've had a Rev.2 and a TJ, and now own a TJ Purple Mod. I like the TJ a lot - it's got a lot of breadth it can cover with some patience on the EQ. Is it a Herbert? Gawd no... But both the TwinJet and the Uberschalls are incredibly well voiced amps for what they are. And furthermore, they're half the price of a Herbert.

Really depends on your style and tastes. I read you like "dry", the Herbert can get dry, but then also read maybe you want juicy organic chewy goodness... That'd be the Bogner camp.

I get where you're going. I own both. I own both because I have to own both

Good luck!!
Mo

Yeah I want both at some point, but I have to get one first, and don't know which I'd rather start with.

 

[Ventura]

Go for the Herbert now then...

An Uber or TJ is easy to snag later down the road.

Herbert can get nicely saturated too - as a bit of a contrast to your otherwise "dry" preferences

Just my $0.02

 

[Sasz]

You can't go wrong with the herbert. I love it so much this amp, this is one rare piece gear that I will never resell.

 

[the rossness]

Uber blue FTW

 

[steve_k]

Not much difference in MK1 or MK2. Don't sweat that decision. But, it will be more like your VHT that will always be with you. You want something different and the Ubers are. Don't sweat the Uber revisions either. I think the TJ is a stale amp.

Go Uber (Blue or R2) for something different. Won't break the bank either.

But, I own a Herbie....

 

[moronmountain]

Go for the Herbert now then...

An Uber or TJ is easy to snag later down the road.

Herbert can get nicely saturated too - as a bit of a contrast to your otherwise "dry" preferences

Just my $0.02

Heh I don't only like dry. I like alot of different sounds, but I do like dry as well. I will have to see what is available out there, and what my funds look like I suppose. Thanks for the info/feedback.

 

[Ventura]

Twin Jet kicks in at 4:43

Steve says it's a stale amp... pppffffhtttt

 

[vchizzle]

Twin Jet kicks in at 4:43

Steve says it's a stale amp... pppffffhtttt

One of my favorite vids of all time on the tube...I've watched it dozens of times. Thanks James!
My favorite tones on it are the Naked, Rev Blue.

 

[Anonymous]

I've owned a Herbert MK1 and Rev 2, I now own a Rev Blue
Rev 2 being better than Rev Blue is overhyped, they pretty much sound the same
The TJ I never liked from clips I've heard, I've never liked any other KT88 amp either
Personal taste, but I would grab a second Uber before I'ld buy a Herbert, without blinking
Got a VHT? You're covered as far as tight br00t4|z are concerned
Gonna get a Diezel? You might as well get a VH4 now, because once you get a Diezel, you always end up with a VH4, sooner or later. There's no way around it

 

[Ventura]

You might as well get a VH4 now, because once you get a Diezel, you always end up with a VH4, sooner or later. There's no way around it

You actually kinda got a point there.

 

[yankeebulldog]

The TJ I never liked from clips I've heard, I've never liked any other KT88 amp either

I feel the same about the stock TJ, but with 6550s, I dig it a lot once I got it dialed in. Much better than the other Uber revisions for me anyway. The "clean" channel on the TJ is my favorite for milder hard rock tones. I also had one with EL34s and the clean taper mod that I didn't like as much.

 

[Ventura]

The TJ I never liked from clips I've heard, I've never liked any other KT88 amp either

I feel the same about the stock TJ, but with 6550s, I dig it a lot once I got it dialed in. Much better than the other Uber revisions for me anyway. The "clean" channel on the TJ is my favorite for milder hard rock tones. I also had one with EL34s and the clean taper mod that I didn't like as much.

I was going to post this very response, but thought it was too much dead horse kicking.

But you're right - the 6550s properly biased brings out an incredible snarl to the TwinJet. I also rolled a lot of preamp glass when I received mine, and ended up using a Jan-Philips 5751 in the V3 spot, a EiYugo in the PI slot, a GLECC83 in V1 and LPSs throughout. The thing doesn't sound normal. And I say that in a good way. It's incredibly voiced now - and offers a haven of Uberschall/TwinJet goodness from where it once began.

Tubes make a massive difference. For the record.

 

[spguitar]

HERBERRRRRT
https://soundcloud.com/burnthelies/burn ... -disappear

 

[Death by Uberschall]

Do I have to say it?