Diezel Herbert v VH4S v Fryette Pittbull Ultra Lead (help)

[xiwiwix]

All I has left to say is Michelle Jenneke.

 

[Matt7]

I Bought a UL back in 2001 purchased my Herbert in 2003, sold the UL in 2005

 

[Ventura]

GodDAMN this thread just caught on fire eh?? HOT topic...

Here's my input. You've listed a fairly wide spectrum of artists and styles. If you're a good player, you'll be able to take any of those amps and squeeze the feel out of them no problemo. They're all fantastic amps - and Fryette is right up there with "quality" et al that of a the Diezel lineage. Fantastic choices to choose from as no matter what you get, you'll be stoked.

SO here's the rub. A lot of studios carry the VH4 due to its incredible versatility and ability to take stomps. It's been on country to math metal takes and everything in between. You want variety? It can do it. You need to augment the sound? It takes FX totally smoothly. You wanna flick a switch and instantly be a rockstar? No dice.

Herbert is a FINE animal... Clean on it is supreme. There are a lot of artists in the heavier realms of music who love its 2 + midcut configuration on the channels. It's a mega seller in Japan, and there are people who say it's the best amp Diezel makes. It's a fine amp - sound awesome and perhaps arguably almost as versatile as the VH4 (you see what I did there).

Fryette? Awesome. I've owned and will own again. As versatile? Perhaps - with time given, but here's where I go with my Fryette experience - dry and stiff. That's my take on them. Not a bad dry and stiff, hell no, fact is I've conjured some of my most cutting searing hot metal rhythm tones with a Fryette (D60 for the record). But does it have as much going on as the Herbert? No. Does it have as much going on as the VH4? Most certainly not (there, you see what I did there again?).

Good luck.

Bottom line, any capable guitarist can take any of the aforementioned amps and make 'em sound heavenly. Any capable guitarist that knows their FX can add and subtract the layers as deemed appropriate. And most importantly, any of those amps will do you JUST fine....

If you're patient, maybe await the D-Moll/D-Mon amp from Diezel, good price, and also covering a LOT of territory.

Peace,
Uncle Mo

 

[sjk]

good thread but it's 2 yrs old

 

[xiwiwix]

GodDAMN A lot of studios carry the VH4 due to its incredible versatility and ability to take stomps. It's been on country to math metal takes and everything in between.

Very good point.

GodDAMNfact is I've conjured some of my most cutting searing hot metal rhythm tones with a Fryette (D60 for the record).

I agree!

 

[xiwiwix]

good thread but it's 2 yrs old

Wait, wut!?

It was on page one when I replied to it.

 

[Ventura]

good thread but it's 2 yrs old

Care?

No.

 

[sjk]

good thread but it's 2 yrs old

Wait, wut!?

It was on page one when I replied to it.

only reason I bring it up is because the guy people are now giving advice to has not logged on under his username since january 2011

 

[Ventura]

good thread but it's 2 yrs old

Wait, wut!?

It was on page one when I replied to it.

only reason I bring it up is because the guy people are now giving advice to has not logged on under his username since january 2011

Could be Carl.

Could also be doing hard time or disappeared off to gitmo. Guess we'll never know, but c'mon, the ol' Herbert versus VH4 banter is always a good firestarter. It's like an X-Files episode, never really gets boring.

 

[garey77]

For what it's worth, Steve Vai is listed on Fryette's website as a user. I'm not sure in what capacity or which product, but he's there. Dave Weiner was an avid VHT/Fryette user as well.

Not that I'm anybody from Adam, but I've had experience with an Einstein, and an UL... the Einstein was a bit more forgiving, but the tone wasn't nearly as memorable to me as the UL, and CLX, for that matter. Oddly enough, when I tried out a Herbert a while back, I remember thinking that it was fairly unforgiving. It could have been any number of things (old tubes, rusty chops, etc). I have no problem getting (for me) blistering, blooming distortion tones from my UL or CLX.

Get what you really want. If the Diezel is what you're really yearning for, just go for it and allow yourself to be happy with your purchase, as undoubtedly it will serve your purpose (and be midi controllable). If you purchase a Pittbull, you'll have to invest in an amp switcher/midi controller (ala rjm or voodoo labs).

Herbert pros/cons:
great hi-fi sound
Midi capability
External bias test points
Weighs a ton, shipping to Germany for repairs
180 watts in tubes is expensive


Pittbull pros/cons:
roughly half the price of a Herbert
Great hi-fi sound
Shipping is less if you live in the US, as Fryette is in soCal
Tubes cost less
No midi

 

[garey77]

good thread but it's 2 yrs old

Wait, wut!?

It was on page one when I replied to it.

only reason I bring it up is because the guy people are now giving advice to has not logged on under his username since january 2011

Could be Carl.

Could also be doing hard time or disappeared off to gitmo. Guess we'll never know, but c'mon, the ol' Herbert versus VH4 banter is always a good firestarter. It's like an X-Files episode, never really gets boring.

Bah... Damnit. Totally got sucked in. Shit. Figures...

 

[Ventura]

Hey, your reply still has a great deal of merit to it - anybody who hasn't read this thread will find it helpful nonetheless.

And as for Fryette, man, those amps are blistering...

Mo

 

[rottingcorpse]

i have two ultra leads now, and one herbert. if i have to, the herbert gets sold first.

 

[xiwiwix]

Herbert is 180watts. If you can't cut thru with that, you just fail at guitar EQ.

So you're saying raise the volume?

If the mids are lacking and the high end and low end are fine, you're gonna drown out the bassist.

Oh wait, f' the bassist! Raise the volume!

 

[Deanmachine]

Herbert is king!

 

[cardinal]

Necrobump.

 

[BAALINCINERATOR]

GodDAMN this thread just caught on fire eh?? HOT topic...

Here's my input. You've listed a fairly wide spectrum of artists and styles. If you're a good player, you'll be able to take any of those amps and squeeze the feel out of them no problemo. They're all fantastic amps - and Fryette is right up there with "quality" et al that of a the Diezel lineage. Fantastic choices to choose from as no matter what you get, you'll be stoked.

SO here's the rub. A lot of studios carry the VH4 due to its incredible versatility and ability to take stomps. It's been on country to math metal takes and everything in between. You want variety? It can do it. You need to augment the sound? It takes FX totally smoothly. You wanna flick a switch and instantly be a rockstar? No dice.

Herbert is a FINE animal... Clean on it is supreme. There are a lot of artists in the heavier realms of music who love its 2 + midcut configuration on the channels. It's a mega seller in Japan, and there are people who say it's the best amp Diezel makes. It's a fine amp - sound awesome and perhaps arguably almost as versatile as the VH4 (you see what I did there).

Fryette? Awesome. I've owned and will own again. As versatile? Perhaps - with time given, but here's where I go with my Fryette experience - dry and stiff. That's my take on them. Not a bad dry and stiff, hell no, fact is I've conjured some of my most cutting searing hot metal rhythm tones with a Fryette (D60 for the record). But does it have as much going on as the Herbert? No. Does it have as much going on as the VH4? Most certainly not (there, you see what I did there again?).

Good luck.

Bottom line, any capable guitarist can take any of the aforementioned amps and make 'em sound heavenly. Any capable guitarist that knows their FX can add and subtract the layers as deemed appropriate. And most importantly, any of those amps will do you JUST fine....

If you're patient, maybe await the D-Moll/D-Mon amp from Diezel, good price, and also covering a LOT of territory.

Peace,
Uncle Mo

no clue how old this thread is.. ive never played a diezel. i had an oportunity to play a lil fokker and an engl powerball 2 when i bought my fryette CLX.... kinda wish i had at least tried them out i saw the fryette and had a raging boner for it and when i played it i was like YESS this is it. i always wanted an ultralead but i played the CLX and loved it so much and knew id NEVER see another one used at a guitar center like WHAT the F&*%# 2250$ thats almost half price!! but when i tried it out the guitar had duncan blackouts in it and it made it a little more compressed feeling and i didnt understand what they meant by dry and stiff at all it was the wettest thing on the planet. but now i played it at home with passives and i kinda see what you mean by dry but its so in your face brutal uncompressed death it rules but i think what does it for me is the graphic eq the range on this amp is just insane the knobs stay active with the EQ so you set the knobs up and then turn the lows up a bit on the eq and scoop the mids a little bit equal opposite and then you raise the highs and then it turns into this 0.o completely different pissed off ear bleeding death machine of death the range is crazy and i dont think any other amp could do that by itself it has this range that other amps just cant touch. but with out the graphic eq i dont think it would be as special. id put it up against a boogie mark v and it would have its face for lunch. i never got to try an ultralead tho =/ and i probably cant afford one so im having it molestified to beat the ULs ass. i dont know much about power tubes KT88s v EL34s and shit but its getting ruby EL34bstrs i think. still wish ida tried out the engl and diezel.... but anyway ive seen the pitbulls online sometimes without the graphic EQ and im like maaan thats missing the whole thing tho its like a pitbull with no teeth

 

[FourT6and2]

lol

 

[cardinal]

I like amps.

 

[spanny]

The VH4 is my all time favorite amp