Diezel VH4S video.....

[Mailman1971]

Sorta like the "Flat Stanley" where kids make that "Stanley" picture and mail him to various places and take the pics.
I think thats a GREAT idea....France....Rome.....Bahamas....
One condition....I get to escort the BBE on your guys' funds.
I will send plenty of pics and make sure the BBE has a great time. I will be suffering of course.

 

[Mailman1971]

sounds awesome man.

but somethings a bit funny here..... I noticed the gain on channel 3 was about 12:00 in the beginning of the clip and it had too much gain compared to my 2001 before the update........ I think you might have an updated VH4

I am not really sure the History on this one. I was just told it was a 2001 model.
It has all the gain I can handle.......and I am a metal head.

Love this amp!
Anyone know the History on this VH4S?
I got it from Sixtonoize.

 

[Lord Toneking]

Obviously your 'coolness' factor just went down a few notches with the usage of the bbe


I once heard a saying..."real men don't need to use bbe's"

 

[Mailman1971]

Obviously your 'coolness' factor just went down a few notches with the usage of the bbe


I once heard a saying..."real men don't need to use bbe's"

I actually folded to peer pressure last night........
I unplugged the BBE for about an hour. Everyone said "What did you do to the amp?"
I said is it better?
Everyone in the room said it sounded better with it on.
So.....I gave it a shot.

I am not over using it at all like I have in the past. Using it as a tool....not a crutch as I did on other amps.
It is a 'slight' enhancement. Sounds good....really!

 

[glpg80]

i dont know why everyone hates on the bbe, as a slight tool and used properly it can improve the live sound of an amplifier greatly - like the subtle mix of new power tubes.

as long as it is not used as a crutch or used improperly - im sure there is a difference for the better.

the same technology is used in giving you stereo L+R and L+ -R on your radios. if you dont like it - im sure you could sell all of them, made by every company to exist?

 

[moltenmetalburn]

I dislike the BBE for a few reasons, I had one for a while and found it to make my sound worse in every application.

first and foremost when on the unit seems to squash midrange. it almost seems scooped to me. I LOVE mids so right there it is a dealbreaker.

Then a friend of mine who is an audiophile recording/mastering engineer had me bring the rig to the studio where he used some equipment to show me the phase distortions created by the unit and used a ton of technical jargon to explain why I should never use it again. I cant really explain as he did but seeing the distortions and knowing I already felt like it sounded worse with it on it had to go.

he also described that the "secret value" of the amount of bass frequency delay the bbe is adding is not perfect. BBE found a rather consistent value but not one that works for all frequencies at all times.

As for the stereo stuff glpg80 I not sure what effect your describing. the surround sound type buttons?

the BBE delays the bass frequencies to reach the ear at the same time as the treble frequencies. is that happens in a stereo?

I can say I have always hated surround sound and bass boost buttons on my home stereos. never use them.

 

[glpg80]

ive never owned, and never will own a BBE.

however, the same technology is used in stereo L+R, -L+R, and L-R. making LL and RR for stereo use for FM recievers.

the guy who invented it used the same block type layout to "enhance" the input signal by attacking certain frequencies, making it variable, and putting the new signal back together with the original.

the problem is that it takes micro seconds to do that change, so to counter-react the issue the original signal is delayed the same amount of micro seconds.

but since these amplifiers are a distorting tone and not cleanly amplifying it - you will get phase issues.

i covered the issue in depth for AM/FM broadcasting. the guy who invented it took an idea and ran with it many years ago and on paper its ingenious for guitar because it works for radios, but in reality it doesnt work unless your tone is SS distortion, or a clean tone.

the settings on the unit will make a large difference - some worse than others depending on the quality of the IC's.

its actually a complicated little circuit. he isnt using simple analog LP/HP filters which induce their own phase issues. the difference is that the percieved gain tone itself that we love is caused by the analog feature which is made in real time.

what he is doing is a whole different ballpark.

 

[Lord Toneking]

Obviously your 'coolness' factor just went down a few notches with the usage of the bbe


I once heard a saying..."real men don't need to use bbe's"

I actually folded to peer pressure last night........
I unplugged the BBE for about an hour. Everyone said "What did you do to the amp?"
I said is it better?
Everyone in the room said it sounded better with it on.
So.....I gave it a shot.

I am not over using it at all like I have in the past. Using it as a tool....not a crutch as I did on other amps.
It is a 'slight' enhancement. Sounds good....really!

Just bustin' yer balls

Hey man, if it sounds good to 'you' then that's all that matters...right?

btw...that's one badass amp ya got there

 

[glpg80]

the settings on the unit will make a large difference - some worse than others depending on the quality of the IC's.

here is the quote that danno should read.

i like the idea of a BBE, and used correctly, can and will increase the tone quality after the gain tone has already been produced. some will hear the phase problems others wont.

but 9/10 id rather make the changes in the amplifier - sounds more natural. but for those that cant - the BBE is a great little tool.

the BBE footpedal is an awsome unit and does more of what the inventor intended - you wont have phase issues with it because its not dealing with tube phase angles and LRC phase angles inside the amplifier or large impedance loads.

try running the unit on front of the amp danno and see what you think?

 

[RJF]

Obviously your 'coolness' factor just went down a few notches with the usage of the bbe


I once heard a saying..."real men don't need to use bbe's"

I actually folded to peer pressure last night........
I unplugged the BBE for about an hour. Everyone said "What did you do to the amp?"
I said is it better?
Everyone in the room said it sounded better with it on.
So.....I gave it a shot.

I am not over using it at all like I have in the past. Using it as a tool....not a crutch as I did on other amps.
It is a 'slight' enhancement. Sounds good....really!

I used to use my BBE with my Herbert and I use it with my Powerball when I want a super scooped sound. I quit using it with my Herbert because I found that the Mid cut feature on the Herbert does the exact same thing as the BBE, but sounds better.

 

[Mailman1971]

I had this unit for several years. Some amps love it....some it makes it sound 100 times worse.
I over used it it in the past. There is a knob where I can dial how much "process" I want on it.
I used to run it well over 50%....
This amp...maybe 15%. And it really makes it sound great. The amp sounds excellent all alone hands down. But I just like that little bit the 482I brings.
My last amp....the Rivera KR7 it sounded horrible with it.
Some Marshalls like it....the Mark III it made a HUGE difference. Guess all depends on the head.
I see alot of rack units that have the 482I in it.
Some guys hate it....I like it.
But only as a tool not crutch. Same as a Clean Boost. Only a tool.
Overall.......this Amp sounds fantastic!
I like it when I get crap from you guys....makes me laugh and dish it back out.

Rock on everyone!!

 

[Mailman1971]

Obviously your 'coolness' factor just went down a few notches with the usage of the bbe


I once heard a saying..."real men don't need to use bbe's"

I actually folded to peer pressure last night........
I unplugged the BBE for about an hour. Everyone said "What did you do to the amp?"
I said is it better?
Everyone in the room said it sounded better with it on.
So.....I gave it a shot.

I am not over using it at all like I have in the past. Using it as a tool....not a crutch as I did on other amps.
It is a 'slight' enhancement. Sounds good....really!

I used to use my BBE with my Herbert and I use it with my Powerball when I want a super scooped sound. I quit using it with my Herbert because I found that the Mid cut feature on the Herbert does the exact same thing as the BBE, but sounds better.

Yup. Thats how the Fireball 100 was....had a MID CUT switch on it.
No need for the BBE on it.
I have my mids up fairly high on the VH4 and the BBE seems to just 'slightly' tighten it up overall a little.

 

[RJF]

Obviously your 'coolness' factor just went down a few notches with the usage of the bbe


I once heard a saying..."real men don't need to use bbe's"

I actually folded to peer pressure last night........
I unplugged the BBE for about an hour. Everyone said "What did you do to the amp?"
I said is it better?
Everyone in the room said it sounded better with it on.
So.....I gave it a shot.

I am not over using it at all like I have in the past. Using it as a tool....not a crutch as I did on other amps.
It is a 'slight' enhancement. Sounds good....really!

I used to use my BBE with my Herbert and I use it with my Powerball when I want a super scooped sound. I quit using it with my Herbert because I found that the Mid cut feature on the Herbert does the exact same thing as the BBE, but sounds better.

Yup. Thats how the Fireball 100 was....had a MID CUT switch on it.
No need for the BBE on it.
I have my mids up fairly high on the VH4 and the BBE seems to just 'slightly' tighten it up overall a little.

Same experience here, some amps like it and some don't.