Diezel VH4S vs Diezel Herbert? Which one is best?

[Shark Diver]

so I'm hoping that the Herbert can do the Bogner/Cornford tones + have the modern Diezel tones that I'm missing. Can EL34 tubes be designated to a specific channel on the Herbert, or do they all blend together?

I don't think the Herbert hits those tones well - especially if you've owned those amps to really know.

 

[TrueTone500]

so I'm hoping that the Herbert can do the Bogner/Cornford tones + have the modern Diezel tones that I'm missing. Can EL34 tubes be designated to a specific channel on the Herbert, or do they all blend together?

I don't think the Herbert hits those tones well - especially if you've owned those amps to really know.

That's what I needed to know. Thanks!

 

[Ventura]

....so I'm hoping that the Herbert can do the Bogner/Cornford tones + have the modern Diezel tones that I'm missing. Can EL34 tubes be designated to a specific channel on the Herbert, or do they all blend together?

No.

Diezel is just as distinct in its tone as the amps you mention above are distinct in their tones. It's like saying you want a Picasso to look like a Rembrandt. No dice, they're individual and independent of one another.

Ch.2 on the VH4 can definitely throw down with many of the modded/Marshall'esque tones - in its own way. After that, it's all Diezel baby. Can't speak for the Herbert on this.

 

[LukeCurd]

You mentioned Vintage and Modern tones with a Marshall style sound right? You also mentioned interest in the CCV-100.
As much as I love the Diezel amps I am not sure if that is the best amp for your needs.

Do you need midi? FX loop options? how many channels?

What style of tone do you really want and at what volume. Both the Herbert 150 watt and the VH4 120 watt is really loud.

MIDI - not really, but it would be nice to have. FX loops - yes. 2 channels are fine, but 3 would be better.

My first tube amp was a 100 watt Marshall Super Lead, so I've been sort-of raised on 'that' sound. So far, the best amps I've owned were Soldano SLO, Bogner 100B, and Cornford MK. Soldano requires huge volume to push the 6L6 tubes, so that's out. The Cornford MK and Bogner 100B sounded nearly identical, so I sold the 100B. I've regretted selling the MK, so I'm hoping that the Herbert can do the Bogner/Cornford tones + have the modern Diezel tones that I'm missing. Can EL34 tubes be designated to a specific channel on the Herbert, or do they all blend together?

The VH4 is a Great amp many regret selling, I want one myself but I wouldn't paint my self in the corner with just one amp. Many Diezel users looking to mix their sound with that Marshall flavor run a marshall with it. Basicly, don't get a Diezel unless you want the Diezel sound.

The CCV might be your best bet. Sounds better than the Bogner and Conford IMHO. Vintage but will go very modern.

 

[TrueTone500]

You mentioned Vintage and Modern tones with a Marshall style sound right? You also mentioned interest in the CCV-100.
As much as I love the Diezel amps I am not sure if that is the best amp for your needs.

Do you need midi? FX loop options? how many channels?

What style of tone do you really want and at what volume. Both the Herbert 150 watt and the VH4 120 watt is really loud.

MIDI - not really, but it would be nice to have. FX loops - yes. 2 channels are fine, but 3 would be better.

My first tube amp was a 100 watt Marshall Super Lead, so I've been sort-of raised on 'that' sound. So far, the best amps I've owned were Soldano SLO, Bogner 100B, and Cornford MK. Soldano requires huge volume to push the 6L6 tubes, so that's out. The Cornford MK and Bogner 100B sounded nearly identical, so I sold the 100B. I've regretted selling the MK, so I'm hoping that the Herbert can do the Bogner/Cornford tones + have the modern Diezel tones that I'm missing. Can EL34 tubes be designated to a specific channel on the Herbert, or do they all blend together?

The VH4 is a Great amp many regret selling, I want one myself but I wouldn't paint my self in the corner with just one amp. Many Diezel users looking to mix their sound with that Marshall flavor run a marshall with it. Basicly, don't get a Diezel unless you want the Diezel sound.

The CCV might be your best bet. Sounds better than the Bogner and Conford IMHO. Vintage but will go very modern.

I agree. I think CCV may be the amp that will bridge vintage to modern better than anything else going. One thing is certain, the Diezel amps (via the clips I've heard) have a distinct tone that I like.

 

[LukeCurd]

You mentioned Vintage and Modern tones with a Marshall style sound right? You also mentioned interest in the CCV-100.
As much as I love the Diezel amps I am not sure if that is the best amp for your needs.

Do you need midi? FX loop options? how many channels?

What style of tone do you really want and at what volume. Both the Herbert 150 watt and the VH4 120 watt is really loud.

MIDI - not really, but it would be nice to have. FX loops - yes. 2 channels are fine, but 3 would be better.

My first tube amp was a 100 watt Marshall Super Lead, so I've been sort-of raised on 'that' sound. So far, the best amps I've owned were Soldano SLO, Bogner 100B, and Cornford MK. Soldano requires huge volume to push the 6L6 tubes, so that's out. The Cornford MK and Bogner 100B sounded nearly identical, so I sold the 100B. I've regretted selling the MK, so I'm hoping that the Herbert can do the Bogner/Cornford tones + have the modern Diezel tones that I'm missing. Can EL34 tubes be designated to a specific channel on the Herbert, or do they all blend together?

The VH4 is a Great amp many regret selling, I want one myself but I wouldn't paint my self in the corner with just one amp. Many Diezel users looking to mix their sound with that Marshall flavor run a marshall with it. Basicly, don't get a Diezel unless you want the Diezel sound.

The CCV might be your best bet. Sounds better than the Bogner and Conford IMHO. Vintage but will go very modern.

I agree. I think CCV may be the amp that will bridge vintage to modern better than anything else going. One thing is certain, the Diezel amps (via the clips I've heard) have a distinct tone that I like.

Yes they are unique and is why both peters are genius. They designed a amp back in 94 that still holds up today. However its 2012 and there are way more amps out in the market today.

My self I was raised on the Mesa Rectifier sound. Which makes it a easy transition to say the herbert will slay a rectifier 10 ways from sunday. But so will a OD-100, SLO, modded 5150, etc.

Lots of different amps have tone and features, you have to play one in your hands to find if it is right for you. Bring a buddy and have him play it too.

 

[TrueTone500]

You mentioned Vintage and Modern tones with a Marshall style sound right? You also mentioned interest in the CCV-100.
As much as I love the Diezel amps I am not sure if that is the best amp for your needs.

Do you need midi? FX loop options? how many channels?

What style of tone do you really want and at what volume. Both the Herbert 150 watt and the VH4 120 watt is really loud.

MIDI - not really, but it would be nice to have. FX loops - yes. 2 channels are fine, but 3 would be better.

My first tube amp was a 100 watt Marshall Super Lead, so I've been sort-of raised on 'that' sound. So far, the best amps I've owned were Soldano SLO, Bogner 100B, and Cornford MK. Soldano requires huge volume to push the 6L6 tubes, so that's out. The Cornford MK and Bogner 100B sounded nearly identical, so I sold the 100B. I've regretted selling the MK, so I'm hoping that the Herbert can do the Bogner/Cornford tones + have the modern Diezel tones that I'm missing. Can EL34 tubes be designated to a specific channel on the Herbert, or do they all blend together?

The VH4 is a Great amp many regret selling, I want one myself but I wouldn't paint my self in the corner with just one amp. Many Diezel users looking to mix their sound with that Marshall flavor run a marshall with it. Basicly, don't get a Diezel unless you want the Diezel sound.

The CCV might be your best bet. Sounds better than the Bogner and Conford IMHO. Vintage but will go very modern.

I agree. I think CCV may be the amp that will bridge vintage to modern better than anything else going. One thing is certain, the Diezel amps (via the clips I've heard) have a distinct tone that I like.

Yes they are unique and is why both peters are genius. They designed a amp back in 94 that still holds up today. However its 2012 and there are way more amps out in the market today.

My self I was raised on the Mesa Rectifier sound. Which makes it a easy transition to say the herbert will slay a rectifier 10 ways from sunday. But so will a OD-100, SLO, modded 5150, etc.

Lots of different amps have tone and features, you have to play one in your hands to find if it is right for you. Bring a buddy and have him play it too.

There'e a Diezel dealer in Boca Raton (Synergy Guitars). Have credit card - will travel!

 

[Heritage Softail]

Go search YT for Andy Wood and Diezel. He has a Herbert rig and plays just about every kind of music on the vid. It is a Diezel demo. The Herbert does cleans, chicken pickin, rock, metal, and does it with the dynamics intact.

Some say the demo is so great because Andy is a killer player. Bottom line is that the Herbert will do it all. And of course the tone is in the fingers to an extent. But the gear matters.

Herbert is awesome. Sounds like a good deal.

Listen to that vid though. It isn't opinion, it is flat out smokin...

 

[TrueTone500]

Go search YT for Andy Wood and Diezel. He has a Herbert rig and plays just about every kind of music on the vid. It is a Diezel demo. The Herbert does cleans, chicken pickin, rock, metal, and does it with the dynamics intact.

Some say the demo is so great because Andy is a killer player. Bottom line is that the Herbert will do it all. And of course the tone is in the fingers to an extent. But the gear matters.

Herbert is awesome. Sounds like a good deal.

Listen to that vid though. It isn't opinion, it is flat out smokin...

Holy shit he's good! I'm so jealous of hybrid pickers.

I think I may wait to hear what you guys think of the new CCV before making a decision.

 

[fearhk213]

It has been a while since I owned either, but I owned both at the same time and gigged them. They both have that hi-fi, polished Diezel sound, but they're overall very different amps. I found channels 1-3 on the VH4 more versatile and dynamic than any of the channels on the Herbert (ch 4 on the older VH4 like I had was WAY too compressed, though). The Herbert has a wow factor with that big low end and saturation, but the wow factor gets lost in a live setting imo. The VH4 always sat nicely with little to no fiddling with the knobs to get it to sound right in other venues; this was not the case with the Herbet. I'm not a fan of how the Herbert's mids are voiced either. Also, there is an inherent compression to the Herbert's attack that drove me nuts. Long story short: I'm not a Herbert fan at all, but the VH4 was killer. I would like to own another one someday.

 

[TrueTone500]

What about the VH4 vs VH4 blue edition?

 

[LukeCurd]

What about the VH4 vs VH4 blue edition?

Even adam jones can't find one.