Do Forum Guys Obsess to much over details

[ttosh]

Take Justin Derrico for example, he has been on tour with Pink for 2 and 1/2 years now almost supporting over 160 tour dates. His pedalboard has some boutique pedals on it, but for the whole live show he plays one Les Paul, and as you can see his pedalboard has no bypass loopers, no tidy wraps in case something goes wrong it can be fixed quickly. He uses two Bogner Shiva's, not 20th anniversary and his tone on the Pink live DVD just kills for everything he does. He has some cool pedals, but when you look at a lot of the pedalboards we all post, everything is so tidy, like we spend more time putting them together than playing......

I know there are a lot of different styles of music we each play, etc. but the point holds true for most touring musicians, you just do not see the obsession over all the gear back and forth as you do from most of us. And do not say their tone suffers from it because usually this is not the case at all.....

Of course this is IMHO only and it is Friday.... Note: I know Bogners are Boutique, but Shivas are so old news, well not the 20th, but there are not 15 or more in the classifieds right now, so they cannot be too popular.

 

[chunktone]

See the racksystems sub-forum.

 

[ttosh]

See the racksystems sub-forum.

 

[Shiny_Surface]

Take Justin Derrico for example, he has been on tour with Pink for 2 and 1/2 years now almost supporting over 160 tour dates. His pedalboard has some boutique pedals on it, but for the whole live show he plays one Les Paul, and as you can see his pedalboard has no bypass loopers, no tidy wraps in case something goes wrong it can be fixed quickly. He uses two Bogner Shiva's, not 20th anniversary and his tone on the Pink live DVD just kills for everything he does. He has some cool pedals, but when you look at a lot of the pedalboards we all post, everything is so tidy, like we spend more time putting them together than playing......

Well you're kind of stating the obvious, gear is a distraction and easier to fuck around with than practicing.

Almost everyone gets sucked into it to some degree, how much you let it effect your playing goals is up to you.

 

[Chubtone]

Absolutely yes. Nuno was using a Boss GT multieffect and getting a great tone. You would be laughed off the internet if you posted that as part of your rig.

I saw Kurt James recently (the guy who replaced Yngwie in Steeler) and he was using made in Japan Squier Strats and a stock DOD YJM308 and a Boss DD-2 delay and was absolutely TEARING IT UP. Sick playing and great freaking tone.

 

[Digital Jams]

The things people say they hear trips me out, I have no idea how they hear this stuff.

Must be lucky I guess.

 

[chunktone]

See the racksystems sub-forum.

How do these look?

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viewtopic.php?f=57&t=75094

viewtopic.php?f=57&t=70685

 

[ttosh]

See the racksystems sub-forum.

How do these look?

viewtopic.php?f=57&t=69121

viewtopic.php?f=57&t=75094

viewtopic.php?f=57&t=70685

I understand what you are getting at now, sorry was kind of slow. Those look great, and I have seen them before. They seem to be the minority though with touring musicians. Not that I do not love gear, that is why I hang out here. It is like Curt said above though, most would be laughed at here using some of the stuff getting used live, but they sound stellar and that is what really matters at the end.

I know I have swapped many amps over the last 2 years. Only to find myself realizing most any amp I have had would handle most of what I write and play. Again good conversation, but sometimes the non boutique stuff is just as good for 1/3 of the price, but forum cred gets in the way of that for some of us...

 

[glassjaw7]

Some people love playing, some love gear and having a tidy rig, and some love both. The Steve Stevens rig above is a perfect example of a dude who loves both.

 

[steve_k]

Justin just needs to fire his guitar tech and go see Dave Friedman....

I know what your are saying Tim. I listen to that video several times and did some checking up on Justin. Simple rig, great tone and even with a few years of status under his belt, his rig is practically the same. The most complicated part of it is the Piezo separation and DI. I would imagine if he wasn't playing in a pop band, about 3/4 of the existing board would disappear.

Steve

 

[JakeAC5253]

Can Charlie Daniels play a mean fiddle?

 

[Dallas Marlow]

Honestly, I think some people do, but then theres people like me who just obsess over every aspect of the instrument, not only equipment wise but also playing, styles, ways of thinking about it, learning it etc.

The biggest reasons gear is important to me is reliability and sounding good. As tough as it is to say for me, reliability is all but more important than sound, I had a fuse go out in an amp due to some shitty tubes the other night and it pissed me off to no end, it was a small gig so of course I didn't bring a back up, and right in the middle of my guitar solo CRACKLE-FIZZ emptyness... thankfully a buddy had another amp there.

Thats one thing I love about my DAR, *knock on wood*, it's been rock fucking solid, haven't even lost a fuse yet, I think a lot of the issues with amps are 75% of the time tube based problems, most modern production tubes just fucking suck from my experiences. JJ power tubes have been horrid for me, back about... 7 years ago when I first used them I had good luck with them, but around 3 years ago I felt they just went to total shit and had countless failures. One even blew up so hard it shattered a fuse, I opened up for replacement and had to scoop out the other end of the fuse along with shards of glass...

As far as cables/wiring etc., for a gigging musician I just can't fathom having a rig with unreliable parts, if I could afford diamond plated 9v adapter cables so nothing could wear them out I'd get them, simply so I never in the middle of a song stepped on a pedal that just so happen to jostle something weird and the little plug decided it was time to fail. That kind of stuff drives me nuts to NO END, so I don't know that it's so much even unnecessary obsessing as much as it is having expectations of performance and reliability, and looking for that next step up in quality.

To me the real waste of time is dealing with something when it breaks, troubleshooting takes far more time to me than buying and setting up everything properly right the first time around and not having to deal with it.

 

[JamesPeters]

Do Forum Guys Obsess to much over details

That should read:

"Do forum guys obsess too much over details?"

The answer: obviously not. Or, yes; absolutely.

 

[jcj]

Do Forum Guys Obsess to much over details

That should read:

"Do forum guys obsess too much over details?"

The answer: obviously not. Or, yes; absolutely.

Well done

 

[steve_k]

Honestly, I think some people do, but then theres people like me who just obsess over every aspect of the instrument, not only equipment wise but also playing, styles, ways of thinking about it, learning it etc.

The biggest reasons gear is important to me is reliability and sounding good. As tough as it is to say for me, reliability is all but more important than sound, I had a fuse go out in an amp due to some shitty tubes the other night and it pissed me off to no end, it was a small gig so of course I didn't bring a back up, and right in the middle of my guitar solo CRACKLE-FIZZ emptyness... thankfully a buddy had another amp there.

Thats one thing I love about my DAR, *knock on wood*, it's been rock fucking solid, haven't even lost a fuse yet, I think a lot of the issues with amps are 75% of the time tube based problems, most modern production tubes just fucking suck from my experiences. JJ power tubes have been horrid for me, back about... 7 years ago when I first used them I had good luck with them, but around 3 years ago I felt they just went to total shit and had countless failures. One even blew up so hard it shattered a fuse, I opened up for replacement and had to scoop out the other end of the fuse along with shards of glass...

As far as cables/wiring etc., for a gigging musician I just can't fathom having a rig with unreliable parts, if I could afford diamond plated 9v adapter cables so nothing could wear them out I'd get them, simply so I never in the middle of a song stepped on a pedal that just so happen to jostle something weird and the little plug decided it was time to fail. That kind of stuff drives me nuts to NO END, so I don't know that it's so much even unnecessary obsessing as much as it is having expectations of performance and reliability, and looking for that next step up in quality.

To me the real waste of time is dealing with something when it breaks, troubleshooting takes far more time to me than buying and setting up everything properly right the first time around and not having to deal with it.

You hit the nail on the head. For us, it is only us and things have to work. For others, they have techs to make sure it is always right and there is a B option. Like Justin explains in his interview and his board set up.

Lat year, I was playing at an outdoor event over here. We were headlining and the set up first and got our soundcheck out of the way. Meanwhile, during the day, they can and set up an awning over the stage. It just so happens the crew sat a metal post right on my Midi cable from my board to the rack. Took the stage flipped all my pedals on in the rack and fired the amps up. No effects.....WTF. I had phantom power to the Ground Controller, as obviously not all the wires in the Midi cable were damaged. Just the one's that I needed! I now use 1" plastic tubing cut in 4' sections to run all my cables through and this stuff is painted dayglo orange so any fucker that comes across the stage see's it.

Another mishap and I know this has happened to anyone that has played live enough and that is someone coming along and catch a speaker cable and pulling it from the jack in a cab. I went online to Parts Express and bought a bunch of speaker jack plates/cups that are predrilled for Neutrik locking jacks and replaced the jacks on my cabs with them.

Then there's the infamous soundcheck ground loop and buzz! I carry my own transformer/power supply/voltage regulator and plug everything into one source far away from other shit.


Steve

 

[Spaceboy]

The answer... YES!

 

[Dallas Marlow]

Honestly, I think some people do, but then theres people like me who just obsess over every aspect of the instrument, not only equipment wise but also playing, styles, ways of thinking about it, learning it etc.

The biggest reasons gear is important to me is reliability and sounding good. As tough as it is to say for me, reliability is all but more important than sound, I had a fuse go out in an amp due to some shitty tubes the other night and it pissed me off to no end, it was a small gig so of course I didn't bring a back up, and right in the middle of my guitar solo CRACKLE-FIZZ emptyness... thankfully a buddy had another amp there.

Thats one thing I love about my DAR, *knock on wood*, it's been rock fucking solid, haven't even lost a fuse yet, I think a lot of the issues with amps are 75% of the time tube based problems, most modern production tubes just fucking suck from my experiences. JJ power tubes have been horrid for me, back about... 7 years ago when I first used them I had good luck with them, but around 3 years ago I felt they just went to total shit and had countless failures. One even blew up so hard it shattered a fuse, I opened up for replacement and had to scoop out the other end of the fuse along with shards of glass...

As far as cables/wiring etc., for a gigging musician I just can't fathom having a rig with unreliable parts, if I could afford diamond plated 9v adapter cables so nothing could wear them out I'd get them, simply so I never in the middle of a song stepped on a pedal that just so happen to jostle something weird and the little plug decided it was time to fail. That kind of stuff drives me nuts to NO END, so I don't know that it's so much even unnecessary obsessing as much as it is having expectations of performance and reliability, and looking for that next step up in quality.

To me the real waste of time is dealing with something when it breaks, troubleshooting takes far more time to me than buying and setting up everything properly right the first time around and not having to deal with it.

You hit the nail on the head. For us, it is only us and things have to work. For others, they have techs to make sure it is always right and there is a B option. Like Justin explains in his interview and his board set up.

Lat year, I was playing at an outdoor event over here. We were headlining and the set up first and got our soundcheck out of the way. Meanwhile, during the day, they can and set up an awning over the stage. It just so happens the crew sat a metal post right on my Midi cable from my board to the rack. Took the stage flipped all my pedals on in the rack and fired the amps up. No effects.....WTF. I had phantom power to the Ground Controller, as obviously not all the wires in the Midi cable were damaged. Just the one's that I needed! I now use 1" plastic tubing cut in 4' sections to run all my cables through and this stuff is painted dayglo orange so any fucker that comes across the stage see's it.

Another mishap and I know this has happened to anyone that has played live enough and that is someone coming along and catch a speaker cable and pulling it from the jack in a cab. I went online to Parts Express and bought a bunch of speaker jack plates/cups that are predrilled for Neutrik locking jacks and replaced the jacks on my cabs with them.

Then there's the infamous soundcheck ground loop and buzz! I carry my own transformer/power supply/voltage regulator and plug everything into one source far away from other shit.


Steve

Question for you on the Neutrik jack plates/cups and speaker cables, when/if those things do get knocked or whatever may happen to them, if it's hard enough do they simply snap or would they rip the jack out, I'd be kind of concerned as to really damaging the speaker wiring if the connection was strong enough it could yank it all out, assuming some drunk person on stage caught it the wrong way?

I wish I could afford to carry around the transformer/supply and regulator, all I have is a Furman PS8 or whatever the standard rack mount one is, nothing special about it... I just figure it's gotta be some kind of improvement from the house power. Any recommendation on what transformer/ps and regulator your using? Thanks!

Dallas

 

[skoora]

Question for you on the Neutrik jack plates/cups and speaker cables, when/if those things do get knocked or whatever may happen to them, if it's hard enough do they simply snap or would they rip the jack out, I'd be kind of concerned as to really damaging the speaker wiring if the connection was strong enough it could yank it all out, assuming some drunk person on stage caught it the wrong way?

I wish I could afford to carry around the transformer/supply and regulator, all I have is a Furman PS8 or whatever the standard rack mount one is, nothing special about it... I just figure it's gotta be some kind of improvement from the house power. Any recommendation on what transformer/ps and regulator your using? Thanks!

Dallas

I think he was quoting an interview with the Pink guitar player.
I would be afraid that someone would yank the speaker cord and send your head toppling to the ground
I think a lot of touring guys have a lot of "regular" gear because they know it can be replaced almost anywhere in the world. Plus as they're playing a lot more than typing they're a lot more likely to be good to go with almost anything that can be rented and a few choice pedals. But for any example of one way a pro does it you'll find 5 ways that are different with other pro's.
Plus who's to say what freakish obsessions they get into when they can camp out in a pro studio and record.

 

[The Hoff]

I agree with you but only to an extent, it's a fun part of being a player and is something that I personally love doing. Definitely could be considered a "waste of time" but, ya...

 

[bravedude2]

look at the lond winded answers. of course they do.