Do I want a T.C.2290 or Eventide Eclipse, Someone school me!

[Anonymous]

2290s sound great but there is no guarantee they can be repaired when they fail.

bingo

i bought a pcm70 last month that got destroyed in shipping
no one here in LA wants to touch it.
zachman's pcm 80 is dead and same deal. no love.

at least i bought mine with a warranty and got a full refund.

stuff like this becomes more and more attractive for this reason:

pimp an ipad full of software from the big boys with apogee interfacing
i just updated my ampkit on my iphone and all i have is the free app but the sound has taken a quantum leap forward!
they even offer budda and fargen amps and rocktron is starting to add pedals:
http://agilepartners.com/apps/ampkit/

if rocktron dropped in an intellifex app, or tc would develop a flashback delay app for it, or strymon an el cap, lexicon pcm reverb, eventide pitch/modulation, fractal, etc, and someone did a wireless bluetooth footcontroller, i may be very close to wearing my live rig on a beltpack!

Anthology II is only for Pro Tools TDM systems - completely worthless to almost all of us...

Steve

 

[mentoneman]

2290s sound great but there is no guarantee they can be repaired when they fail.

bingo

i bought a pcm70 last month that got destroyed in shipping
no one here in LA wants to touch it.
zachman's pcm 80 is dead and same deal. no love.

at least i bought mine with a warranty and got a full refund.

stuff like this becomes more and more attractive for this reason:

pimp an ipad full of software from the big boys with apogee interfacing
i just updated my ampkit on my iphone and all i have is the free app but the sound has taken a quantum leap forward!
they even offer budda and fargen amps and rocktron is starting to add pedals:
http://agilepartners.com/apps/ampkit/

if rocktron dropped in an intellifex app, or tc would develop a flashback delay app for it, or strymon an el cap, lexicon pcm reverb, eventide pitch/modulation, fractal, etc, and someone did a wireless bluetooth footcontroller, i may be very close to wearing my live rig on a beltpack!

Anthology II is only for Pro Tools TDM systems - completely worthless to almost all of us...

Steve

i know that but the gist is if things continue the way they are going it makes the idea of gigging with an iphone/ipad pretty realistic. this coming from a guy who used a POD bean through a combo live with lackluster results, then the vox valvetronix combo (better) then axe ultra (better yet)

if i could foot control toggle between the clean and dirty sound i have programmed into my iphone via the free ampkit app i'd totally use it as a backup rig right now.

 

[italoop]

Ok, so I'm looking to get a really nice FX processor. I've had the G-Force and G-major but I want something really nice for another rack I'm building. I just need it for Delay and Chorus since I use pedals for everything else. I'm leaning towards the 2290 but the only thing that scares me is that T.C. doesn't repair or service them anymore. So if it breaks, I just throw it out? I cant seem to find anyone on the net that services them. I've played the 2290 before and it was great! Never the Eclipse though. So what do you guys think?

Let's consider the following:
-TC2290 is a great sounding unit!
-TC2290 is NOT a stereo delay or chorus. Phase inversion on one channel is not true stereo. It does stereo panning. It may have been ok 25 years ago. Today dsp power is well beyond that.
-TC2290 can't be fixed in many of its components, like delay memory...
So, basically, you may end buying something expensive (they still are!), that doesn't do all you need and may put you thru some bad experience if something happens.

Would be useful to know why you say "never the Eclipse".

A great unit, going for a good price, is the Eventide Orville. Dual DSP, mother of the H8000.
You'll be able to get a wide variety of chorus and delay effects, from 1210 to Dyno TSC and Roland, from TC2290...to classic Eventide chorus and delays, multitaps, crosstaps....
It covers everything.
You'll have a variety of chorus and delays already loaded and just internally switch thru them...covered!

The Lexicon PCM80/81 are also fantastic units. If well programmed, you can get delay and chorus at the same time, including the much desirable glide chorus; you can even have chorused delays and chorus and switch between them or even turn a chorus into a delay and back... in addition to a serious reverb!

With more specific info I can describe details better for you...

regards
italoop

 

[verderacer]

Ital as usual you are spot on. Just about anything the 2290 can do my GTR4K also does and in true stereo... IMO though the PCM80 does have some better sounding patches but maybe I just did not spend enough time on my 4K to get it there... Got a lil time to explain why Ital?

 

[italoop]

Ital as usual you are spot on. Just about anything the 2290 can do my GTR4K also does and in true stereo... IMO though the PCM80 does have some better sounding patches but maybe I just did not spend enough time on my 4K to get it there... Got a lil time to explain why Ital?

Hello

months ago I was reflecting on the topic "TC2290 replica". I love the 2290. I wish TC was THAT same company today, products wise.
So my reflections were about the fact many fx units claim to offer a TC2290 replica in their presets libraries.
I have analyzed most of these products, either in real use or studying their manuals.
I read manuals a lot and have a science about them. Nobody writes good manuals anymore... but that's another story.

So, when it comes to TC2290 replicas all units out there are simply replicating its ducking feature.
A ducked delay ain't a TC2290! If you haven't used the real thing you can't understand why.

Here's what the 2290 does:
-phase inversion on one side, allowing a mono fx to become pseudo-stereo, on 2 outputs
-dynamic could be applied to delay level and/or dry level (ducking) or even the opposite, expanding
-dynamic could be applied to modulation rate, in proportional or inverse ratios
-dynamic could be applied to pan rate of delay and/or dry sounds, in proportional or inverse ratios
-all modulations above could have sine or random waveforms or could be externally triggered
-all of the above can be done at the same time
-feedback path filters could be set at OFF/100/200/400 Hz for the Low Cut and at 2K/4K/8KHz/OFF for the High Cut

Now, if you have used and heard what a panning ducking dynamically modulated delay sounds like, mixed with dry sound being panned in the opposite pattern...you know what a 2290 sounds like...otherwise you have no idea about the 2290, believe me.
I'm not even talking about the sound character owed to 1 Mhz sampling rate converters, which nobody uses ($$$).
It's only about the effect.

The only units that come closer in most if not all those fx features are the Eventide DSP7000/7500/Orville/H7600/H8000.
They offer such features. You may want to check the presets manuals.

A ducking delay is just a ducking delay. It existed way before the TC2290 and was used in broadcast.
A 2290 is something else.



cheers
I

 

[Jakem]

Italo, that was some interesting read! Welcome to the forum!

-Jaakko

 

[Little B]

Great discussion goin on here...On Tc side of things, Ive bought a few of em just in case something does go wrong w/ one, although Ive had a fully loaded 62 second one since the early 90's and it still is 100% going strong.I also have often heard of guys putting an Eventide in the loop of the TC and getting the best of both worlds that way...but thats some serious moola to do that..Id like to try an axe fx for the FX side of it sometime too.

 

[Milerky2]

What about the D-two?

 

[italoop]

What about the D-two?

Another different product!
What about it?

 

[Milerky2]

It is a TC rack stereo Digital Delay, it is midi, has a 2290 setting and has tap control. I use the M-one a lot and am looking at this as well, but it may fit your need and be a lot cheaper.

 

[italoop]

It is a TC rack stereo Digital Delay, it is midi, has a 2290 setting and has tap control. I use the M-one a lot and am looking at this as well, but it may fit your need and be a lot cheaper.

It falls in the 2290 wanna bees but it's not.
A fine delay, not a 2290.

 

[italoop]

Revamping the thread...

A new set of stunning TC2290 presets and audio clips, here:
http://www.italodeangelis.com/it/eventi ... sp#library

Get the hires files and listen with good equipment! Stay away from those PC/Mac speakers. You know they suck!


have fun
I

 

[Anonymous]

Sorry to highjack but an earlier suggestion to enable instant patch changes on the eclipse really interests me. Could the same idea be used to obtain instant patch changes in my PCM 81 ?

 

[italoop]

Sorry to highjack but an earlier suggestion to enable instant patch changes on the eclipse really interests me. Could the same idea be used to obtain instant patch changes in my PCM 81 ?

What's the advice to enable "instant patch change" you're talking about?
High quality audio = no instant change.

 

[Anonymous]

Shame. I only use 3 patches in my live set and would love to use it. .
Guess it'll have to stay in the studio.

 

[italoop]

Shame. I only use 3 patches in my live set and would love to use it. .
Guess it'll have to stay in the studio.

You're not explaining what you, what you need, what are those suggestions...
Instant change is a myth!

 

[Anonymous]

A nice sweet reverb for my clean patch, a stereo delay with a splash of reverb for my lead tone and a similar patch with a specific delay time for one track only.
I use a Voodoo modded JMP-1 as my amp which switches patches instantly but I only use slight variations of each tone so 3 patches on my G Major covers the lot.
I'd love better versions of each.

 

[italoop]

A nice sweet reverb for my clean patch, a stereo delay with a splash of reverb for my lead tone and a similar patch with a specific delay time for one track only.
I use a Voodoo modded JMP-1 as my amp which switches patches instantly but I only use slight variations of each tone so 3 patches on my G Major covers the lot.
I'd love better versions of each.

Ok... we're making progress now.
Better versions over the G-Major is an easy task fot Eclipse.
You could load 4 moddelays in machine A and a combo of delay/pitch/reverb in the second.
Then use MIDI CCs to on/of what you want/don't want and to change their levels or most important parameters values.
No need to even change preset. With MIDi CCs you'll do everything within a single preset.
Even a pedal and 2 footswitches can be used instead of/or with MIDI CCs.

 

[Anonymous]

I'm referring to my PCM 81.

 

[italoop]

I'm referring to my PCM 81.

Same thing.
The 6 v delays can do anything you need, chorus, flangers, stereo tap tempo delays and the reverb does...reverb.
Just use MIDI CCs and/or the pedal and 2 footswitches to control parameters.