Egnater Recommended Tubes for Renegade 212 Combo

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As I stated in a previous thread, I just bought a slightly used Renegade 212 Combo.

I have read threads that state different tube stores recommendation for this amp, but what does the manufacturer actually recommend? I have not found anything from Egnater that gives you an idea of what they feel would sound good in the amp.

Anyone have this info?

Thanks,

TJ
 
Most of what they ship with new are Groove Tubes. I think occasionally some other things show up. I think the official response would be something like they are not in the business of endorsing tube companies.
 
Hi Im from Crossville good to see a tn person!! I used tungsram and ei in mine for 12ax7 jj acrooss for 6l6 and el34 never looked back
hit me up if interested in the 12ax7 jjs can be purchased anywhere
 
I have a few Mullard 12AX7 and a few JJ 12AX7's. I have a matched set of JJ 6L6's and a matched set of Mullard EL34's as well.

With the stock tubes, I find the clean channel a little bit brittle and would like to give it a more harmonic and slightly more comressed sound. Nothing outrageous, but just a warmer creamier clean tone. I suppose you could call it vintage Fender clean.

Any ideas on that one?

Also, I keep hearing about a voltage regulated PI tube. I think I remember it correctly... What does that mean or which tube would do that? I know it is a 12AX7, but I never seem them listed or sold like that.

Any ideas on that one too?

TJ
 
I also see that people recommend a whole slew of different brand tubes for the preamp and that is kind of new to me. I usually just go with one brand for one channel and maybe another for the second/overdriven channell. If you go the route of a buffett of tubes with this amp, does it make a huge difference?

TJ

PS. i live in Oak Ridge, which is not far from Crossville.
 
tjnugent quote :
"With the stock tubes, I find the clean channel a little bit brittle and would like to give it a more harmonic and slightly more comressed sound. Nothing outrageous, but just a warmer creamier clean tone. I suppose you could call it vintage Fender clean."
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That's very surprising to me ,really :confused: ! The difference could come from your speakers since my Renegade is a head but,on mine,the clean channel is anything but brittle !It's the definition of warm,round ,smooth & creamy !In fact,it sounds very much like a vintage Fender Bassman.So,you don't get the almost glassy 3D sound of a Twin,for ex. (i love that too,btw ;) ) but it's warmer etc. Do you know which tubes were in your amp ?
 
I am going to look in a few minutes. I am kinda curious about that myself. I bought it used and don't know if they were changed or even biased correctly.

More to come.

TJ
 
All preamp tubes are regulated by voltage..
Compressors do wonders for 'cream'..
 
Yes and when I hook up my pedal board it has a Wampler Ego compressor and a Xotic EP Booster. My two best pedals.. lol

TJ
 
I think I am now experiencing the room is too small factor. For me to get this amp to really open up and bloom, I have to turn it up pretty loud. I am trying to do this in my condo living room. lol Not going to happen easily.

In the past I have used much lower wattage amps and I am used to getting the amp running while playing. Much more feasible in a small place.

I have to remind myself that the reason I bought this big an amp is because the 20 watt amp I tried to gig with last weekend would not cut it over the drummer. It was lost in the mix. Since I did a trade in, I am going to have to find the perfect condo combo.. lol

More on the tubes later.

TJ
 
For 30 years I have researched vintage amp parts( collector) and I can assure you. The only imp thing is that the assembly line doesn't stop. All manufacturers will if need be interchange parts. Look at the disclaimer in your documents, we reserve right blah blah. SO to answer your initial ?. You could have any tubes. That tubes fit in a socket,easily changed, is proof positive how little regard an engineer has for tube brand names.

As an aside, if tubes weren't so crappy these days, we wouldn't be having this discussion. I started in the 60's & we talked about amps, boxes, guitars. Tubes? Never.
 
I just took the tubes out and here is what I have in the Renegade 212 Combo

Sovtek 5881WXT (6L6)
Sovtek 5881WXT (6L6)

Ruby EL34BHT
Ruby EL34BHT

V1=Tung-Sol 12AX7
V2= EHX 12AX7
V3= Tong-Sol 12AX7
V4- EHX 12AX7
V5= EHX 12Ax7

V6 (PI)= EHX 12AX7

Tubes I have that are not being used

Preamp Tubes
3) Mullard 12AX7
2) JJ 12AX7
2) EHX 12AX7
2) EI NOS 12AX7 (used and untested)

Power Tubes

2) JJ 6L6GT Matched Pair
2) Mullard EL34B Matched Pair (New Release)
2) JJ 6V6GT Matched Pair

I am not sure if what is in there came with the amp, though the 5881's are marked with Egnater Brand as well as Sovtek.

What would you replace and where?

Thanks,

TJ
 
Davie, I started playing in 1970 and I don't recall ever questioning a tube brand put in my Fender and Marshall amps. They were just tubes... if they worked great. I also don't recall changing tubes that often. Not unless one blew. Which only happened to me once on tour. Early Silverface Deluxe Power Tube. Took the amp out for the night. I am sure if I had changed more tubes, it would have sounded better, but who knew back then?

TJ
 
Here is an update.

I put Mullard 12AX7's in V1a/b and V2a/b and Jan Phillips 5751 in V6.

This instantly tamed the amp and gave me much better clean channel tone and less overkill on the drive channel. I would like to get another 5751, or 7025 and put it into V2. This would make the drive channel much more to my liking. I am a classic rock guy and like more of a plexi sound than mondo distortion.

Once I hooked everything up to my pedalboard with a Wampler Ego Compressor, Xotic EP Booster,TC Electronic Flashback, and a EHX Electric Mistress Deluxe, I was in amp heaven.

I really dig this amp, but you really have to work with it to get what you want. Everyone is different. Keep tweaking.

Thanks,

TJ
 
Hi TJ, my Renegade had the same tubes in it when new. I have a Tung-Sol 12AU7 in V1 and a JJ ECC803S in V2. Channel 1 is now very Fender clean, not super twangy, and will break up when pushed but stay smooth and not shrill. Channel 2 has 2 JJ ECC83S and together with the 12AU7 in V1 is very AC/DC rock. the 12AU7 has removed the modern Egnater tone just a bit. I use a JJ 5751 in the loop to give the reverb a bit more headroom and make it more usable throughout it's sweep. a Tung-Sol 12AX7 in the PI. 6V6's and EL34 in the power amp, the 6V6's reduce the power a bit but you can use the 2nd Master Volume to boost the 6V6's. The amp is not really home friendly but the dynamics come out more at a lower volume. The 12AU7/ECC82 in the PI I found to be very good but you do worry that the amp my go pop, Bruce told me that the Renegade would cope with the AU7 but I think I prefer the tubes I have in now. I have used ECC81's and 5751's but find them a little cold and unmusical. hope that helps....
 
tjnugent":2r718hdc said:
Here is an update.

I put Mullard 12AX7's in V1a/b and V2a/b and Jan Phillips 5751 in V6.

This instantly tamed the amp and gave me much better clean channel tone and less overkill on the drive channel. I would like to get another 5751, or 7025 and put it into V2. This would make the drive channel much more to my liking. I am a classic rock guy and like more of a plexi sound than mondo distortion.


Thanks,

TJ
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:thumbsup: You had a great idea! The Jan Phillips 5751 at PI has done wonders for my M&B and i also used GT12AX7M's (Mullard) in the preamp.Together,it was the best combination to tame the amp.I guess your Mullard 12AX7's are the reissue ones (New sensor),not the originals ?How would you describe them ?
 
Keith,

I think I am going to try the way you use. New tubes will be ordered this week. I have JJ 6V6 tubes on hand as well. The Tung-Sol 5881's are not great. I read a few reviews that state that that particular brand is lifeless in comparison to others on the market. I have a matched set of Mullard EL34 that I can also use in place of the Ruby EL-34's.

Viking,

I have always liked Mullard 12AX7 because they are the hottest gain of the new reissue 12AX7's. They have a warm creamy tone, but they are too hot for the drive channel and also probably the clean channel. Mullard are very smooth, but not the tube to tame an amp. If you want to use Mullard preamp tubes, I would not hesitate putting them in an amp, but you have to want that extra little gain push. The lows are well pronounced, the mids are not spiky and the highs are very smooth. Great for most amps. And yes, these are the New Sensor made tubes, but a very faithful recreation to the tubes of yesterday.

TJ
 
Keith,

I just looked up the MU factor for the 12AU7 and it is only 20% of a 12AX7. Are you sure you used that in your V2? Also when you mention the V1 and V2 and Reverb, are you talking about both tubes A&B or just the first of the set, meaning V1a or V2a?

Thanks,

TJ
 
I use a 12AU7 in V1 not V2, yes it is only 20%. With the gain full on you get a very nice Keith Richards Tone, but with a boost pedal in front of the amp the AU7 works very well.

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Regarding the Reverb and Loop and the 5751....I could be talking total bollocks as I have not tried the loop yet. I spent all weekend playing with the tubes. The reverb however is working better than it ever has, thinking about it, it could very well be because of the 12AU7....I'll get back to you on the 5751 in the loop.
 
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