Egnater Seminar Fun (w/Pictures!)

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So, I finally got some time to give you guys a debrief about the seminar. First, let me say that Bruce and his wife Terri are just the coolest, nicest folks - I really enjoyed getting to spend some time with them! They do a great job of making everyone feel at home and make sure you are comfortable throughout the class weekend... It was just an incredible way to spend a weekend and I learned an incredible amount! With Bruce, there are no secrets - he'll tell you whatever you want to know and will help with anything. I mentioned a parallel efx loop and a line out to him and he drew up schematics and brought them in the next day so I have a way to mod my amp to put those in if I want! How cool is that!

Like most folks here, the only soldering I'd ever done was guitar pickups. I had a good knowledge of how amps work from reading several tube amp books including "How To Service Your Own Tube Amp" by Tom Mitchell and "Inside Tube Amps" by Dan Torres. The Torres book is incredible - if you want to build you own tube amp after the class, I highly recommend you read it. Let me say that no preparation is necessary for the class, especially if you don't plan to build another amp and just want to be able to service or mod the one you build in the class. However, if you want to build a different amp and you really want to get the most out of the lecture on Sunday, I recommend you do a bit of reading before the class. Having read a bunch before and even designed a 100W amp I want to build, then physically building the amp on day 1 and then hearing the lecture on Day 2, I feel I understood and could ask intelligent questions that gave me the knowledge I need to take on the amp I designed and want to build...

So Day 1 starts with... well... jumping in and building the amp! As most know already, it is a 50 watt hi-gain Marshall-esque circuit. Sort of like a 2204, but with way more gain due to a better layout and different component values rather than an additional gain stage. It has some other additions, like a density control, 3 different inputs, series efx loop and a footswitch input so you can kinda change between rhythm and lead sounds. Some of the work is already done for you before you get there. According to Bruce, it would probably take us amateurs an extra 6-8 hours to do it, so you can see why you don't start completely from scratch. Basically, the circuit board is pre-done, the controls are grounded together and a bit of the tube socket wiring is done for you. Believe me there is still an incredible amount of work to do. Some people start their amp at 9:30 and are finishing at 10 or 11PM, although everyone in my class finished right around 5PM ( a record according to Bruce).

So, I tried to document the whole process for those interested. Here are the pics with descriptions of where I was in the process. Throughout, whenever you take a break, Bruce sits down and checks out your amp and makes sure you are on the right track. He also helps out whenever you ask. While we worked, he told stories about Stevie Ray and Lynch - cool stuff! He also looked at my circuit and helped me out with it. More on that later:

Here is how the kit looks when you start. You can see on the right in the plastic box that the circuit board is pre-done.

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Now I have the power and output transformers screwed in.

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Circuit board is now screwed in.

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Now most of the circuit board is wired in to the preamp tubes.

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Put in the front panel and controls and started to wire into the amp.

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Pic of the front panel and controls after installation.

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Controls are now fully wired.

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Parts of the power and output transformer are now wired in.

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Now things got serious and I stopped taking pictures. At this point, I had the amp pretty much fully wired except for the side filter cap, These things are mechanically hard to screw in. Anyway as I'm doing it, I manage to drop the bolt for one side of the cap inside the power transformer!!! See the transformer that has the cardboard center? On either side there are slots that go all the way to the bell cap. Anyway, I tried to get it out with the needle nose pliers and it fell all the way inside and flat to the bell cap!!. Now I'm bumming, thinking I'm going to have to completely unsolder the power transformer and take it apart to get the damn bolt out. Bruce say, nah - we can just take the transformer apart and shake it out wired in place. So I had to waste 30-40 minutes unbolting the transformer from the chassis, taking it apart (still wired in), taking the bell cap off and finally the bolt falls out... Now I can re-assemble and finish the amp. It was quite a hassle - the chassis and transformer weigh alot and at times your awkwardly holding it up trying to unbolt. Bruce had to help me out to get this done... Don't let this happen to you! Put a piece of cellophane or plastic over the slots when putting this cap in...

Here is what the amp looked like when I finished.

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Another shot when I finished.

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Finished amp back.

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Finished amp front.

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Now here is what it looked like after Bruce made a few small changes to the lead dress to clean it up a bit:

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Finished amp from front, rightside up...

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Now my amp is ready for bias setting and testing and then I get to play it!

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Bruce testing the amp. He explains exactly what he is doing/looking for so we can do it ourselves if we get the necessary equipment.

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Another Bruce testing shot. MIne works with no problems right off. Whoohoo! Some of the other guys amps didn't work right off, but in all cases except one it was bad tubes and not a problem with their builds... Now off to the jam room to check it out... It sounds really, really good. Great amp. Clips next week...

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Amp w/tubes in after I got to play it.

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Another shot.

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Now when you come in on Sunday, Bruce has already been there ahead of you and he cleans up the wiring more by tying off some of the wire bunches to give the amp a clean look. I asked Bruce why we just didn't do it and he said it was just a matter of time. Looks killer!

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Another shot of the cleaned up amp.

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Voila! Front shot after I put it in the cab.

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Back shot it the cab.

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As I said, Day 2 is a lecture where you go through the entire amp and Bruce explains the design and why things work the way they do from the actual schematic diagrams. He also explains how to mod the amp for different tones. At then end of the day, Bruce took one of the seminar amps he had sitting around and changes a single cap here or there as I was playing and you wouldn't believe the difference in the tones! One cap value changed in the right place can completely change the character of the tone of the amp... I can say that the lecture was the best day for me as I want to build my own amp. I could tell some of the other guys were just glazing over and one guy was just completely disinterested (he just wanted to "paint by numbers" and build the seminar amop 'cause he liked the way it sounded in clips - he never intends to build another amp). If you want to build or mod your own amps, this day gives an incredible amount of cool information. I found several problems with my amp design that need to be addressed before I can build it. This class saved me alot of time and grief and I have no idea where else I could have gotten this information.

Now here is the really cool part. As everyone else was leaving, I asked Bruce if he saw any major problems with my design. He said he would stay after everyone left and we could go through the circuit and he'd give me feedback! So after everyone left, we went through my circuit diagram and I explained what I was trying to achieve and he gave me so many tips and so much solid information to make the design work. We just hung out talking about the amp and design for about 45 minutes. Bruce also agreed to help me finish the switching circuit so I can footswitch the different options. He even took my circuit diagram and said he would use his circuit program to design the switching circuit for me! He went WAY beyond the call of duty to help me and I can't even say how much I appreciate it. He spent extra time with me on Memorial Day weekend to help me out. That is what kind of guy he is... He said he'd shoot me the finished circuit with the switching in in about a week!

For right now, I've been playing my new amp and I really dig it. Right now, I'm putting the Egnater logo on my amp... I'm going to add an adjustable line out in the next couple weeks as well. All in all, one of the coolest experiences I've ever had. I now know what I need to know to get started on my own custom amp (completely different from the seminar amp) and continue the learning process. I recommend anyone who is interested in getting to know what really goes on inside their amps GO TO THIS CLASS!!! Great fun...

Steve
 
That is so incredibly awesome. I would love to take this seminar. I bet that amp sounds awesome too. The seminar is such a great idea. Very, very, very cool!!!! :rock: :rock: :rock:
 
Fantastic review and post Steve!! Thanks for takin all those pics for us guys who couldnt be there! :rock: :)

I'd LOVE to take part in one of these Egnater Seminars.. I know a bit already about how amps work, but i feel that i would really learn so much more from doing this. It would make stuff much easier to really understand!!

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AWESOME!!!!! :rock:

I want to go to this class so bad I can taste it..... someday. :thumbsup:



Congrats looks KILLER!
 
I would be so lost during the entire process!! :lol: :LOL:

Thanks for the posting I always wondered how much one had to know about amps before taking the seminar. :rock:
 
Awesome review. I totally want to do the seminar.

So, the whole amp, including the head shell comes with the price of admission? How did it go bringing the amp hime on the airplane? And, if you don't mind... how much did it set you back? Flight, lodging and seminar? Gotta start saving.
 
TX6Strings":38n4ttnc said:
I would be so lost during the entire process!! :lol: :LOL:

Thanks for the posting I always wondered how much one had to know about amps before taking the seminar. :rock:

You really wouldn't be lost. Bruce takes you through the whole process. If I knew nothing about amps before attending the seminar, I still would have easily built the amp with Bruce's excellent guidance. You seriously do not need to know a thing, not even soldering technique...

Steve
 
Ive been wanting to do one of these classes so bad! Congrats man!
 
That's killer!

I'm looking forward to hearing/playing it!!!

Oh, and who is this "Rogue Amps"? :D
 
Sounds like a blast!

Looking forward to hearing some clips of Seminar amp and also hearing more about your design as it progresses!
 
again with this":tagrkro6 said:
Awesome review. I totally want to do the seminar.

So, the whole amp, including the head shell comes with the price of admission? How did it go bringing the amp hime on the airplane? And, if you don't mind... how much did it set you back? Flight, lodging and seminar? Gotta start saving.

Yes, amp and head shell come with the admission which is $1600. As far as the plane, I just checked it as baggage and it came out at the other end fine. No more beat up than if it had been shipped UPS or Fedex... As far as other costs... I travel so much for work that I got my flight and hotel for free with mileage and hotel points. I paid $138 + $26 in gas for my rental car and that was it... So my total out of pocket was $1764...

Steve
 
Bob Savage":ykw0ievu said:
That's killer!

I'm looking forward to hearing/playing it!!!

Oh, and who is this "Rogue Amps"? :D

I definitely think you'll dig the amp... Rogue Amplification is a figment of my imagination... ;)

Steve
 
Awesome pics and story!! That looks bad ass and I LOVE that huge Iron! :inlove: :inlove: :inlove:

Thanks for sharing!! :rock:
 
Damn :shocked:


I think I may have to sell bodily fluids so I can go to one of his classes soon.
 
F'n Awesome brother! You have no idea how much I was looking forward to your review and it sound like the seminar is everything I expected it to be and more!!! :rock:
Now maybe I can take the course and we can start building amps for a living together!! :rock: :rock: :rock:
 
Gainfreak":3onsdfe0 said:
F'n Awesome brother! You have no idea how much I was looking forward to your review and it sound like the seminar is everything I expected it to be and more!!! :rock:
Now maybe I can take the course and we can start building amps for a living together!! :rock: :rock: :rock:

That would ROCK! :rock:

Steve
 
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