Einstein 50 or 100? 6l6?

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I am thinking about finally getting a really decent, flexible amp and the Einstein is pretty high up on the list. The VH4 and Herbert might just be a bit too much since I am not touring or anything and I don't need only uber-über-brutal sounds. I like to think of the Einstein as an awesome smaller Diezel puppy (hehe) but was wondering: how close to the famous VH4 channel 3 can the Einstein get? (Mostly need it for nice cleans, blues/rock up to melodic metal and progressive like Nightwish, Tool and the like)

Also, do the 50 and 100 W versions sound very different? The vh4 comes with 6l6s, it might be worth swapping the Einstein's EL34s for them? How does the Einstein take pedals for even more variety?

And is it possible to get the Einstein with an on/off switchable effects loop?
 
The Einstein is an AWESOME amp..I owned a 50watt head for more than a year. Owned it next to my VH4 and sold the Einstein to keep the VH4. The clean is very good, although I prefer the VH4s cleans. Mode 3 in Einstein's channel 1 could sound a bit similar but not really CLOSE..... Eintein's got it's own thing. It's a FANTASTIC sounding amp but don't get it if you want that VH4 sound.... it's closer to a Herbert than a VH4.

Some of my friends here that have owned or played both 50 and 100 watt say the 100 sounds fuller, but Ididn't feel the 50 sounded thin... it was HUGE
 
the mode 3 sounds similar to the ch3 of the VH4, but more open and organic, slightly middier and smoother
of course a 100w VH4 will eat a 50w Einstein, but tonewise, I prefer the Einstein

you gotta dial out some gain, though, if you want TONE without getting oversaturated
gain around 4 slightly boosted sounds AMAZING
love it without boosters too, but I never pass gain 5, even for metal
it has that chewy Tool-like fluidity on leads without mushing up the rhythm tone
sounds like 2 different amps when you go from chord or palm muted rhythm to a single note riff or actual solo

I also like the simplicity of the Einstein
I wish they made a JCM-like amp with the channel 1 only and less features (I never use the loops, for example)

CH2 sounds good too, and very close to the mode 3, but it's too bassy and saturated for my tastes

the way the presence control shifts the upper midrange never stops to amaze me everytime I play that amp

sad thing the Einstein gets so overlooked only for being cheaper
 
The einstein is excellent I have the 50W head in EL34. I agree that the amp sounds huge for a 50W. Its much tighter sounding than my 120W Bogner. Don't be afraid to go 50W...

EL34 is my tube of choice for the amp!
 
100 watt EL34. . . . .enough said. I personally like the 100 watts better because it's easier to pull the power down via master volumes. Pull the gain back to noonish and turn up the master one each channel then use the presences and deep to match up to your cab and speaker(s) of your choice. MANY tone options with this beast.
 
Einstein 100Watteer (2xEL34, 2x6550) here.
VH4 and Einy have many tonal differences but they both have the Diezel signature compared to other brands. You'll have to play them by yourself to see. If you dont have the money for VH$, buy Einy and dont look behind. You should not worry about 50 and 100 Watt differences, Instead think about what cab you 're gonna use(front rear loaded, V30, K100, 2X12, 4X12).
 
In my oppinion, the two best sounds in the Einstein, that I'm not sure can be had in other Diezel amps, are Ch 1 Mode 2, with the gain and mids around 2-3 o'clock, and Ch 2 with the gain around 11 o'clock, eq to taste. The Ch 2, with lower gain sounds so smooooth, compressed and full, but at the same time not saturated and fuzzy.
Funny thing I bought the amp for Ch 1 Mode 3, which I used extensively, but nowadays I almost don't use it at all.
 
cant say anything bout the vh4


but i got an eini 50 and it rocks...never thought it would sound that good.

cant believe my ears how loud 50 w can be. playing in a hardrock band, i never go over 11 o'clock, otherwhise i would blow my bandmates away....


recommending the eini with every inch of blood
 
kahawe":23bfrngm said:
The VH4 and Herbert might just be a bit too much since I am not touring or anything and I don't need only uber-über-brutal sounds.
That's about 33% of what Herbert is capable of - Uber.
 
When I was shopping, the features were a big factor in choosing the Einstein in addition to the price. Of course, the $4k pricetag that the bigger Diezels command is a very dear price to me, but believe it when people say that the 50w Einstein is not an amp you 'settle for'. The overall size and familiarity of the way the amp works is very appealing to me as a musician that still lugs around and sets his own gear up. Sometimes feature-laden amps are not what people really need, and Diezel really hit that spot with the Einstein.

What i love about all of the amps is how well they perform at such low volumes, as on stage, it's not always the prerogative to crank your guitar volume. Tone-wise, I've had the privilege of playing through all of them aside from the Schmidt, as Ultrasoundrehearsal in NYC had the Herbert to demo and the studio i used to work at had a VH4 as the go-to amplifier for most projects. All of the modes on the Einstein are a pretty good representation of Diezel's approach to guitar tone. The tone palette is very similar to the VH4, obviously the VH4 has 4 independent channels. What you've read overall is pretty spot on - the Mega mode on Einsteins being very similar to the 3rd channel on the VH4 that everyone's so crazy about. I personally like the way the clean mode on the 50w Einstein has more of a tendency to get saturated. ... the 50w clean mode has more of a British Voxy/Hiwatty feel to it whereas Ch1 VH4 is more pristine and even more 'bubbly' - hard to really pin down on what kind of voicing it is more like, as Diezel's EQs are super intuitive and easy to dial in. I've only started to get used to how to balance Ch1 and 2 volumes on my Einstein, but the 2nd channel has a great feel to it - it has the violin like sustain of a phat fuzz pedal but it retains the tightness that a hot-rodded Marshall should have.

Overall, I prefer the feel of a 50w amp over a 100w. I can appreciate how full the sound must feel onstage with a VH4 halfstack, but the way my Einstein reacts to my playing dynamics is more important to me at this point, as well as the aforementioned portability. Most venues are mic'd and even though i run a small setup (50w through Diezel 1x12), it sounds huge enough - guitar players in the audience are usually very surprised with how big that setup can sound, even unmic'd! It's just super easy to get a good live level without feeling like I'm holding the amp back live 50w sits in the mix just enough, and there also is the extra push that the Master volume II gives you. Excellent job with that amp, no doubt about it!

EDIT: Pedal wise, it excels just as much. I recommend running delays and fx you dont want the preamp gain to muddy up in the serial loop. The dimensionality of the amp in addition with a good delay unit like the Eventide Timefactor really will change your views on plugging everything straight in. Boosts and other types of gain multiplies how versatile the amp is. In addition to pegging the front end with a RMC Compressor (Adds just the right amount of breakup and modifies the attack of the guitar beautifully), I have a BD2 set for a light crunch and boost (think large Fender-ish breakup). Going into the BD2 is the EQD Tone Reaper, the Tonebender being my favorite flavor of fuzz. It has a lot of volume and sustain on tap, so its especially good for solos straight into the clean channel, but the gain is huge without getting too flabby. I look forward to recording some fizzy fuzz overdubs with it somewhere, but I especially love the phat, harmonically rich David Gilmour-ish tone that it adds to leads. The preamp on the Einstein just brings out the best in gain pedals if you use your ears right.
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Thanks for all the input guys and wow MrNixon, very interesting read!!! I think the british character you described might be coming from the EL34s though they can be swapped for 6L6s anyway.

The straightforward approach of the EQ and knobs is another thing that I really like about this amp.
 
Hi Kahawe,

If you dont want anything too brutal have you considered the einstein combo too? I've tried plugging mine into a couple of different 2x12 cabs and actually preferred the sound of the sole K100. All a matter of taste but worth trying out as well.
 
Hi Alex!

I have a (half open back) Mesa combo and now I prefer to go with head+cab in the future just for the added flexibility and I find it easier to transport the head around - of course then you still have to lug a cab around but I still find it easier and more flexible.. I can keep a small 1x12 at home and the booming 4x12 for practice.

The 1x12 combo sounds good but once you crank it a lot, it starts to sound like it is going to explode because the box is just too small and it is no comparison to how huge and good a 4x12 sounds.. but that's just me and if I can find it, I will sure try an Einstein combo as well!
 
kahawe":1b9v2wq4 said:
Thanks for all the input guys and wow MrNixon, very interesting read!!! I think the british character you described might be coming from the EL34s though they can be swapped for 6L6s anyway.

The straightforward approach of the EQ and knobs is another thing that I really like about this amp.

right on my man, I feel like the 50w Einstein is sinfully unrepresented. I can sympathize with all players with a Diezel in their budget though - go big or go home. But everyday I am totally content with my setup, no real GAS for anything else anymore. I can transport everything in one trip usually and the tone and feel of the amp through a semi-open 1x12 is so much fun. I've played it thru 4x12s at backlined gigs, and being unaccustomed to plugging it into 3 extra V30s really makes the top end harsh, not to mention that live volumes through a bigger cab add another level of unpredictability. I love my setup and would opt to play this tiny cab until i start playing stadiums!

I DO need a custom Roadcase made (planning on just leaving the cab atop the head in the case. casters and wheels in general are glorious), as i do want to protect my investments, but until then, that rig i just posted will be it for a long time to come.

I forgot to mention that my guitar lineup is primarily single coil'd. Like i said before though, listen well and you can't do no wrong with Diezel amps! Even a friend who is the indiest of indie really really dug the amp and wished he had more time to play it (i let him use it when we were sharing the stage one afternoon). This is a guy who plays a vintage Squier Bullet and brought a Fender Pro Junior to the gig! Seriously, while most people who are in the demographic for playing through Diezels run on the heavier side, the tones are bottomless with 'em!!! Something for everyone!!!
 
If you ask me they're 2 completely different amps. If you want a tighter more punishing sound go vh4, if you like mid-gain crunch (ala) blues go Einey. They're both incredible amps and have their own things going for them. I think the vh4 is a bit more versatile, but the Einey is no slouch. If you want tool tones, vh4 is the way to go. I personally prefer Einey for breakup (ch1 mode 2) Texas type tones over vh4 ch2. Ch 2 on Einey is a killer channel and often over-looked. (I put a lower output tube in it's socket and I love it now.) ch1 mode 3 on Einey isn't vh4 channel 3 and I really don't think it's that close. Vh4's ch3 holds together much tighter and more powerful. Einstein is looser and more chaotic. Cleans? A toss-up on preference.

You can't really go wrong with either. If I had to pick one it'd definitely be the vh4.
 
I am afraid ultimately it'll be the Eini because it kicks ass plus a VH4 and a metro superbass one sunny day... because I do love TOOL way too much!
 
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