Eleven Rack

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Hey folks I recently purchased an Eleven Rack as part of a killer package, I got the 11R, A furman power conditioner both mounted into a 6 space rack for under $500.. I have been playing around with it and have pretty much figured it out as far as running it as a preamp or practice setup but im still struggling with the recording part of the process but i guess that will come in due time. The thing that really caught me off guard was how great the amp modeling is on this device. There seems to be something in the software that just adds a little more natural type of sound and some of the unique harmonics that tube amps produce now its close to the tones of the amps it models and they all sound great, they are not tube amps but as far as everything else out there they seem to hit the tone very well as well as the touch sensitivity that is inherent to tube amps (I have never used any version of AxeFx so i cant comment on that system). The interface for the presets and the editing of presets and even the creation of new presets is very simple and hassle free and is actually alot better than any other modeler ive ever used.. once you get to the EQ part of tone editing its as simple as any regular amp out there, I have not really delved into the editing and application of most of the built in effects but from the sound of the effects on the many presets they are top notch. The software that comes with the 11R is a little old, its protools 8 and I am considering taking a class to learn the software and if i do take a class on it im going to shell out the bucks for the most recent version, In the little time that I have spent fiddling with PT i have not by any means learned even the most basic parts of the program but hell if I dont get the protools right ill still have a kick ass Pre-Amp
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I use an 11R in a live rig for a few years and thought it sounded great. I first ran it through an ART SLA2 then through a Marshall 9200 power amp. The tones we're very good, especially those in the Vox, Fender and Marshall areas. Really the only reason I got rid of it was due to my lack of interest in constantly tweaking. I wanted to get back to keeping things simple again. I didn't get into recording that much so I can't really offer any tips there.
 
Yeah Im kind of a tweak minded person except with my marshall which has had the same settings now for 2 weeks (ive only had it 3 weeks) The Eleven Rack has so much thats tweakable that even though i spent at least an hour on every one of my custom presets I still find myself going back in with a tiny tweak idea such as trying the SLO crunch model with different sets of speakers and little shit like that thats barely noticeable but i cant get it out of my head until ive tried it.... The 11R rocks for $400 and with all the other stuff i got with it its freakin steal
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11R is a co unit... So many applications!
Feel free to shoot me a question about PT8, a few moves & it's fairly intuitive to get it up ' running for quick guitar recordings
 
crankyrayhanky":28qb7v5h said:
11R is a co unit... So many applications!
Feel free to shoot me a question about PT8, a few moves & it's fairly intuitive to get it up ' running for quick guitar recordings
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I have been messing around with it for 4 days and havent been able to figure out how to record even a single note... I talked to a local buy who runs a studio in Bangor Maine and he basically told me to get my signal chain on the presets that I plan to use to a point where there is no crap that is disabled or bypassed in there and to get all of the individual settings for each part of the chain tweaked to my liking. So I spent a good part of today reading the Manual that came with the 11R. The Eleven Rack must have been modeled somewhat off of a line 6 pod xt pro, now the 11R is certainly 100 classes above the pod xt pro but some of the tweaking functions of 11R are similar in how you actually accomplish the settings you needed. I re-tweaked and completely overwrote the first 8 presets with some tones that I think will work, Its really a tweakers dream as the ability to change even the tiniest thing in the signal chain is something i have never dabbled in before except for the 3 months i spent using the pod xt pro as a preamp.
The dude who had the unit that got had never even opened ProTools and said that after he figured out how to change just the amp models and adjust the EQ he stopped and just used it with a poweramp and ran into a cab.. I did the same thing after i made my 8 presets I bypassed all of the cab/speaker/mic models and hooked it up to my peavey 50/50 and played around with the settings and then put the 11R back into my computer desk and tweaked the cab and speaker models to be exactly the same as the cab i plugged it into earlier in the day 4X12 v30's and I set up a shure sm57 for the mic's. Now that ive got my tones im gonna dig into the 3 DVD's that came with ProTools 8 sometime tomorrow and after that ill probably have some questions, but my hope is to be able to record a couple of quieter clean toned "Ballads" that ive written over the years and i plan on getting the equipment to do vocals and then somehow figure out some kind of drum program...
Good To hear from U Cranky..
Ill hit cha back tomorrow after the dvd's
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Btw does it not kick ass that the 11R has an SLO clean channel with full eq, a SLO crunch channel with full eq and an SLO drive channel with full eq!! thats like 300X more tone options than the actual amp!
 
It takes awhile to load the software in, once you do they give you some templates to choose from that are helpful

11R is super easy to reamp- then you can really tweak!
 
zepplin490":1hwrx5tm said:
crankyrayhanky":1hwrx5tm said:
11R is a co unit... So many applications!
Feel free to shoot me a question about PT8, a few moves & it's fairly intuitive to get it up ' running for quick guitar recordings
Click to expand...

I have been messing around with it for 4 days and havent been able to figure out how to record even a single note... I talked to a local buy who runs a studio in Bangor Maine and he basically told me to get my signal chain on the presets that I plan to use to a point where there is no crap that is disabled or bypassed in there and to get all of the individual settings for each part of the chain tweaked to my liking. So I spent a good part of today reading the Manual that came with the 11R. The Eleven Rack must have been modeled somewhat off of a line 6 pod xt pro, now the 11R is certainly 100 classes above the pod xt pro but some of the tweaking functions of 11R are similar in how you actually accomplish the settings you needed. I re-tweaked and completely overwrote the first 8 presets with some tones that I think will work, Its really a tweakers dream as the ability to change even the tiniest thing in the signal chain is something i have never dabbled in before except for the 3 months i spent using the pod xt pro as a preamp.
The dude who had the unit that got had never even opened ProTools and said that after he figured out how to change just the amp models and adjust the EQ he stopped and just used it with a poweramp and ran into a cab.. I did the same thing after i made my 8 presets I bypassed all of the cab/speaker/mic models and hooked it up to my peavey 50/50 and played around with the settings and then put the 11R back into my computer desk and tweaked the cab and speaker models to be exactly the same as the cab i plugged it into earlier in the day 4X12 v30's and I set up a shure sm57 for the mic's. Now that ive got my tones im gonna dig into the 3 DVD's that came with ProTools 8 sometime tomorrow and after that ill probably have some questions, but my hope is to be able to record a couple of quieter clean toned "Ballads" that ive written over the years and i plan on getting the equipment to do vocals and then somehow figure out some kind of drum program...
Good To hear from U Cranky..
Ill hit cha back tomorrow after the dvd's
-mp-
Btw does it not kick ass that the 11R has an SLO clean channel with full eq, a SLO crunch channel with full eq and an SLO drive channel with full eq!! thats like 300X more tone options than the actual amp!
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Not sure if you have seen this yet but this is a great resource for 11R files and information..........
http://www.elevenrackpresets.com/
When I attempted some recording with the unit I actually used Reaper and if I remember correctly went USB direct into my computer and then just had to make sure the I/O stuff was set right. The guys on the Avid forum in the 11R section are very helpful as well. Again, I m not well versed in recording so unfortunately I can't be overly helpful.
 
I have one coming soon. I'm looking to use it with my cover band

Maybe a stupid question, but can I go direct and have signal sent to my monitor? I never have any guitars in my monitor when mic'd up because I just can't stand the sound
 
zepplin490":2sd9reb8 said:
Yeah Im kind of a tweak minded person except with my marshall which has had the same settings now for 2 weeks (ive only had it 3 weeks) The Eleven Rack has so much thats tweakable that even though i spent at least an hour on every one of my custom presets I still find myself going back in with a tiny tweak idea such as trying the SLO crunch model with different sets of speakers and little shit like that thats barely noticeable but i cant get it out of my head until ive tried it.... The 11R rocks for $400 and with all the other stuff i got with it its freakin steal
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I am impatient when it comes to tweaking and like you mentioned always found myself making adjustments, even to those presets I thought I liked and had set where I wanted them. The positive to the 11R is that tweaking is relatively easy and their isn't a shit ton of menus and matrix's that you have to navigate through to get results. Also, don't forget to experiment with the True-Z input settings. It's a cool feature that can make a big difference.
 
Lord Toneking":3ee2kpyn said:
I have one coming soon. I'm looking to use it with my cover band

Maybe a stupid question, but can I go direct and have signal sent to my monitor? I never have any guitars in my monitor when mic'd up because I just can't stand the sound
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The short answer is yes. Its not uncommon for people to run it direct in a live setting.
 
Yea you could go directly to the board through the dual XLR's on the back of the Eleven Rack there is also a 1/4" jack that you can run into a power amp and then into a cab, I ran mine though my Randall Warhead Cab yesterday and I actually remembered to shut off the Cab and speaker modeling and it sounded killer, But I think it could get alot better with a 6L6 power amp rather that an 8 EL84 poweramp... headphone output with a 1/4" to 1/16" adapter and running out of a set of beastly pc speakers is great for tweaking and great for low volume practicing and my favorite new hobby which is tweaking the shit out of every custom preset I make! Even though it doesnt have as many Amp models as the AxeFx units it has an assload of very well picked and excellently modeled Amps.
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I've done some recording with those before... They're insane for what they are. Like a POD on steroids. I'm still gonna use my Marshall stuff for live work and for my go-to in-studio, but when you need to experiment with different tones you wouldn't have access to otherwise or cranking it to 11 isn't an option, these are great for that. John Levin just used one on the last Dokken album "Broken Bones" then reamped later...
 
Took a sanity day yesterday after watching the DVD's about operating ProTools, Took some mental notes and im gonna hit it up again this afternoon. But first im gonna see if i can channel the eleven racks inner slash from one of the 800 or plexi models... Theres so much tweaking available that it'll probably take all day but if i can get somewhere in the neighborhood then i know ive got the modeling by the balls!
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I had one for quite some time as well. It was a lot of fun to use and did sound very good, especially with the expansion pack updates. I also liked how intuitive the unit was!

I just wish Avid kept going with it because they could have done a lot more with the unit. But...it's the typical Avid deal which by they abandon any kind of development with products that don't fit into their new development or changing of personnel/philosophy which happens far more often than it should. This product really didn't have a long lifespan at all. Then there are those poor folks that shelled out for the 11R plug-in. That was completely a mis-guided accomplishment. The idea and execution were great, but the development was non-existent.
 
Yea im still in the exploratory phase with the 11R, ive got 8 "Channels" made so far and I havent hit a brick wall so far with the unit, the Expansion was included on the unit i got and i still have yet to fully figure out all that there is to know about it. It does sound great though far better than any modeler ive ever used and when i pulled it from the computer and ran it through a poweramp into a 4X12 Randall Warhead with V30's it sounded absolutely killer! Its not going to take out my JCM2000 TSL anytime soon but some of the Fender models have brought to long blues jam sessions that I just cant stop with..
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today AFD tones to work on I doubt there is a #39 or whatever is the going # mod is considered to have been.
 
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