Engl Savage mkII!!!

[Speeddemon]

Also what I found with the 60, is you have to run the channel volumes higher to get a proper tube feel. With channel volumes at 9 'o clock it will sound more like an SS distortion pedal instead of a tube amp.
It would definitely be a plus if the new Savage 60 could go from crystal cleans to high gain...

Did you ever consider a Mesa DC-5? That should be able to do so...also 24" wide head format.

 

[thrashinbatman]

You may be right. I think at the time I ran the channel volume all the way up and compensated with the master. It could have been the other way around, but I don't think so.

Nah, I didn't. I sold the 60, bought a Kemper, then a bit later bought a Savage 120. I was more interested in the 60 as a stripped down and cheaper 120 than as a small amp or whatever. Now that I own the 120 I'm not too interested in another 60, or even the Savage SE or now the mkII, outside of the scientific interest of comparing them to see what the differences are.

I'm talking an awful lot of shit on the 60, but frankly it wasn't a bad amp at all. I retubed it and swapped out bridge pickups in my guitar and it helped a lot in fixing the low end, but my band stopped gigging or practicing for a bit and I got tired of the head + effects rack setup I had at the time so I sold it to get a Kemper. I used the 60 on a few recordings when I had it and I always got good tones from it. It wasn't the smaller, cheaper 120 like I expected, but a good amp in it's own right.

 

[MetalHeadMike]

As Br-Ola says... “It’s tight like anus”. Indeed.

Or you could engage the contour switch, like Br-Ola says and..... "it's like the full blown anus punch". Wow! Can't say I'd be too interested in something like that

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

As Br-Ola says... “It’s tight like anus”. Indeed.

Or you could engage the contour switch, like Br-Ola says and..... "it's like the full blown anus punch". Wow! Can't say I'd be too interested in something like that

That could leave a mark.

... so which one of us will be getting one first.

 

[indespise]

Sounds well.. savage. You can tell Ola is thoroughly enjoying playing the amp the whole time.

 

[MetalHeadMike]

... so which one of us will be getting one first.

 

[misterspockyall]

Mike- You went the metal route then landed with Wizard. Do I need to be interested in this Savage?

 

[MetalHeadMike]

Mike- You went the metal route then landed with Wizard. Do I need to be interested in this Savage?

I do have a Wizard, but I wouldn't say it's where I landed per say. It's an amazing amp, but I still have other amps, and I like them every bit as much as the Wizard. I did sell a few when I got the Wizard, but that's only because they were in such a similar vein, and it did what they did a bit better.

The Savage 120 is still one of my favorite balls out metal amps, and I miss mine often. If I could go back in time, I would not have traded it.

I wouldn't spend the coin on a the new Savage 120 for the additional features mostly because I wouldn't use them. I never used the noise gate on the Engls I owned, not big on noise gates at all TBH, and don't own one for any of my amps.

And I'd never use midi, and the few additional buttons wouldn't be worth it to me personally either. If I were after another, I'd be perfectly happy finding a used post 2011 Savage 120 with the OT updates ,cause that's what I had and thought it had a huge low end that was tighter and faster than any amp I've ever owned/played.

Hope those horrible ramblings help

 

[misterspockyall]

Hell yeah they do. Appreciate it man!

 

[stratjacket]

This does look tempting. I had a Fireball 60, sold it and kind of gave up on Engl, should probably revisit. I know the Fireball 60 was probably not the best representation of the line

 

[thrashinbatman]

IMO the Savage is Engl's best amp by a fair margin. I'd definitely recommend it.

 

[Speeddemon]

I wouldn't spend the coin on a the new Savage 120 for the additional features mostly because I wouldn't use them. I never used the noise gate on the Engls I owned, not big on noise gates at all TBH, and don't own one for any of my amps.

And I'd never use midi, and the few additional buttons wouldn't be worth it to me personally either. If I were after another, I'd be perfectly happy finding a used post 2011 Savage 120 with the OT updates

Mike,
I don't know how you've set up any fx-loop pedals, but one of my pet peeves is having a footswitchable fx-loop. Reasoning behind it, especially when playing live, I can bypass the fx-loop with 1 button, make arrangements on which pedals are on, during other parts of a song. And when the time comes, for instance to have a chorus, delay and EQ boost turned on...or even including flanger for a Bark at the Moon solo, then it's just one press on the fx-loop bypass footswitch button.

Since the old Savage 120 and the Savage SE did NOT have this functionality, whereas the Invader (and Steve Morse), SE and Savage 120 MKII do have it, I would recon this is a very welcome update.

Also, judging from Ola's video, the gains of Crunch II and Lead I are no longer interactive, and Crunch II gets plenty brutal already when maxed, so you could set up Crunch II as a high gain rhythm tone and have Lead I as a Lead tone, perhaps with contour or Smooth turned on.

 

[misterspockyall]

For previous version owners, does the tone seem changed on the mark II?

 

[MetalHeadMike]

I wouldn't spend the coin on a the new Savage 120 for the additional features mostly because I wouldn't use them. I never used the noise gate on the Engls I owned, not big on noise gates at all TBH, and don't own one for any of my amps.

And I'd never use midi, and the few additional buttons wouldn't be worth it to me personally either. If I were after another, I'd be perfectly happy finding a used post 2011 Savage 120 with the OT updates

Mike,
I don't know how you've set up any fx-loop pedals, but one of my pet peeves is having a footswitchable fx-loop. Reasoning behind it, especially when playing live, I can bypass the fx-loop with 1 button, make arrangements on which pedals are on, during other parts of a song. And when the time comes, for instance to have a chorus, delay and EQ boost turned on...or even including flanger for a Bark at the Moon solo, then it's just one press on the fx-loop bypass footswitch button.

Since the old Savage 120 and the Savage SE did NOT have this functionality, whereas the Invader (and Steve Morse), SE and Savage 120 MKII do have it, I would recon this is a very welcome update.

Also, judging from Ola's video, the gains of Crunch II and Lead I are no longer interactive, and Crunch II gets plenty brutal already when maxed, so you could set up Crunch II as a high gain rhythm tone and have Lead I as a Lead tone, perhaps with contour or Smooth turned on.

Yeah absolutely! I didn't mean to come off like these new features weren't useful, just not for me as I don't play out, so I just don't need all the extra stuff.

The interactive nature of the Gain and lead gain knobs on mode 4 was my favorite feature of the original. I loved how you could really customize the gain structure exactly how you like it.

 

[maddnotez]

I wouldn't spend the coin on a the new Savage 120 for the additional features mostly because I wouldn't use them. I never used the noise gate on the Engls I owned, not big on noise gates at all TBH, and don't own one for any of my amps.

And I'd never use midi, and the few additional buttons wouldn't be worth it to me personally either. If I were after another, I'd be perfectly happy finding a used post 2011 Savage 120 with the OT updates

Mike,
I don't know how you've set up any fx-loop pedals, but one of my pet peeves is having a footswitchable fx-loop. Reasoning behind it, especially when playing live, I can bypass the fx-loop with 1 button, make arrangements on which pedals are on, during other parts of a song. And when the time comes, for instance to have a chorus, delay and EQ boost turned on...or even including flanger for a Bark at the Moon solo, then it's just one press on the fx-loop bypass footswitch button.

Since the old Savage 120 and the Savage SE did NOT have this functionality, whereas the Invader (and Steve Morse), SE and Savage 120 MKII do have it, I would recon this is a very welcome update.

Also, judging from Ola's video, the gains of Crunch II and Lead I are no longer interactive, and Crunch II gets plenty brutal already when maxed, so you could set up Crunch II as a high gain rhythm tone and have Lead I as a Lead tone, perhaps with contour or Smooth turned on.

Yeah absolutely! I didn't mean to come off like these new features weren't useful, just not for me as I don't play out, so I just don't need all the extra stuff.

The interactive nature of the Gain and lead gain knobs on mode 4 was my favorite feature of the original. I loved how you could really customize the gain structure exactly how you like it.

It is cool to have all of this but this only caters to a niche. Even when playing out I would have absolutely zero use for this stuff. I mean, this is a metal amp right?

IDK I just feel many people would rather see an actual new amp from ENGL vs. a reissue with bells and whistles that 50% won't use. I am sure it is still a super killer amp but I am also sure it will be pushing $4k so I also would rather buy a used original or post 2012 or whatever for 1/3 of the price.

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

Anyone else notice no colored LED lights inside... and new transformers?

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

It is cool to have all of this but this only caters to a niche. Even when playing out I would have absolutely zero use for this stuff. I mean, this is a metal amp right?

IDK I just feel many people would rather see an actual new amp from ENGL vs. a reissue with bells and whistles that 50% won't use. I am sure it is still a super killer amp but I am also sure it will be pushing $4k so I also would rather buy a used original or post 2012 or whatever for 1/3 of the price.

Actually midi, dual loops, etc are pretty much a standard now at this price point.

Also most peeps are selling and getting close to $1800-$2000 for a used version 1. So, I’m fine with the price difference for a new amp with the added features. And new transformers from the looks of this one.

 

[Speeddemon]

It is cool to have all of this but this only caters to a niche.

You'd be surprised how much different gain tones you can get out of the old Savage's dual-cascading gain knobs. Sure, it becomes a balancing game if you want two great sounds, but I can go from Skynyrd to EVH by switching a channel.

Even when playing out I would have absolutely zero use for this stuff. I mean, this is a metal amp right?

Yes, and having the clean channel made cleaner, Crunch 2 made heavier and a footswitchable fx-loop and noisegate are probably quite welcome, also -if not especially- to a metal crowd.

IDK I just feel many people would rather see an actual new amp from ENGL vs. a reissue with bells and whistles that 50% won't use.

Quite an assumption, but whatevs. Buddy of mine and myself both have Invaders, which we use live, but sometimes wish the Crunch channel would be a bit more raw...bit more Marshall kerrang maybe... I added an SE recently, and while a great amp in itself, it has some quirks, that makes me wish the Invader and SE combined their best attributes.
This new Savage II actually seems to be going in that direction!

 

[nightlight]

Anyone going to sell their MKI for this?

 

[dvoricci]

I don’t necessarily dig his settings, but you can tell it’s capaple. I’d like to spend some time with one.