engl se or elmwood modena 60/90???

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I want cut, the splawns fell short on saturation for me, the elmwood clips, everywhere i go sound amazing, I havent found the engl to resemble this tone at all, thought id get more out of a se being 4 ch and 5 million buttons, but their clips are exellent as well.
I like raw, killswitch, 5fdp,GODSMACK ,SOIL,Anew Revolution, type tones!

any advice?
 
i used to own a dsl50 that sounded amazing, I felt due to it being 50 watts, you get those tubes bleeding easier than hundred watter, i guess this goes for the 60 watt modena?
 
For the tones you describe..i think the engl se would be best suited..i used to own one myself..nice amps..
switch between el34 and 6l6 for different flavours..

but i dont think it would cut through like an elmwood..the engl is way more compressed sounding..just really depends on what you like.

Darren
 
I want to cut my guitar player in half, naw kiddin but i want it to cut like my 6505+ does, with ease, my herbert im still ffffinn with live.They say elmwood think killswitch...thats where is want to be! Cut like a Samurai!
 
I've got an Elmo M90 and this thing impresses the hell out of me. With 2-KT88's pushing 90 watts from a high output transformer, this amp performs. Don't worry about cut, as there is plenty to go around. On top of all normal EQ, it has an edge and bottom cut control on back. Lots of gain and an extra gain stage on Ch. 2. Second master volume too and all footswitch controllable...except the FX loop, and this is the only negative. The gain is very thick, tight and focused, not that fuzzy sizzle Mesa gain. Read my review down in the reviews section. There is also a few posts in the Elmwood index. You won't be disappointed.

Steve
 
think im cancelling the engl,m60 or m90, that is the question?
tnx for the 411
 
Never played the M60. It comes with 2-34's in the power section. You won't get the headroom with it as you would the M90. In the M90, they use a high output transformer. This SOB puts out 620 volts at the plate which really drives the shit out of the KT88's. Amps that say you can run 88's in place of 34's normally put out around 450-500 volts. But, that doesn't skin the surface of what the 88 has to offer. The M90 has a built in fan to cool the tubes. I guess one downside would be loosing a tube when playing live.

Rob over at Tone Merchants had them both auditioned there and advised me to get the 90 for the music I was playing. He was right. For a few hundred more bucks, go 90 bro!


Steve
 
Assuming by cut you mean plenty of those high mids listening to which hurts, I'd say go Marshall.
 
When a Herbert is set up good the cut is no different between the Elmwood and it. As far as HEAVY sounds go, the Herbert is a bit better amp. It's a little tighter and more punch. Tip with the Herbert is DON'T TURN THE DAMN LOW AND DEEP DOWN, it washes the eq's mix out and makes it more compressed. Pretty much wherever the lows are that where the signal starts compressing, little lows, then you have little mids and highs. I swear it's true. One practice for shits and grins I turned them both up and BAM, I was cutting like a knife, although I never really had a probelm before. It was just that much more.

-Nick
 
I was told the same thing from josh at rebel amps that rob told steve. What I found amazing was elmo 90 sounded great right out of the box,it is exstremely easy to use. The amp is more open sounding than the engl, but retains it's punch and clarity "tight and focused. The trick to the m-90 is opening up the masters to 2:00 and getting the poweramp really cooking,by doing that you get the preamp gain but also get the power amp saturation. :thumbsup:
 
crabby":20tmlkbf said:
steve whats going to be the diff between 60 and the 90?
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I had the same question:


Hello David,

Thank you for your email!

It always difficult to describe sounds in words but here's an attempt:

The M60 is the more forgiving one. A bit more compressed and warmer than
the M90, but still punchy.
Very responsive to what you do with strings, pick and guitar volume. A
nice punchy bottom end.
The M60 can be run in a 60 watts mode and a 30 watts mode, for smaller
scenes,

The M90 is more modern, straight forward and direct. More headroom.
A big, very tight bottom end. Very transparent for your playing style,
so there's not much to hide behind.
Once mastered, the M90 will reward you for everything you do.

So, M60 - a bit more compressed, warmer, "classic"

M90 - More headroom, tighter bottom end, more direct.

Hope this will give you an idea.

Let us know if we can be of further assistance.
We'll be traveling the coming week so mail response might be a bit slow.

Best regards,
Erland Pålsson
Elmwood Amps
 
Hey_bert_whtcha_doin_bert":2mq6i91g said:
When a Herbert is set up good the cut is no different between the Elmwood and it. As far as HEAVY sounds go, the Herbert is a bit better amp. It's a little tighter and more punch. Tip with the Herbert is DON'T TURN THE DAMN LOW AND DEEP DOWN, it washes the eq's mix out and makes it more compressed. Pretty much wherever the lows are that where the signal starts compressing, little lows, then you have little mids and highs. I swear it's true. One practice for shits and grins I turned them both up and BAM, I was cutting like a knife, although I never really had a probelm before. It was just that much more.

-Nick
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man I have to disagree.... a herbert is THE most crushing amp out there out of the box I think next to a VH4 CRANKED, and an Engl SE. The Modena's cut thru a HELL of a lot more than the herbert. As far as playing alone at home, the herbert is unbeatable, great master and massive crushing tone. The elmwood is a bit more classy and refined, it will slice through a mix, a lot better than the herbert, no doubt. In the price range however, if ya can ditch the bells and whitles, my favorite is the wizard modern classic 100, with the m90/m60 behind it. My vote goes however to the SE for your scenario, OR the MC100.
Josh
 
I'm with Josh Sage, ENGL SE over the Modena. It just does so much more and all of it well. The Modena does have a couple of good tones though.
 
Josh, no wizard for me, i tried giving ya a call, left ya a message, when and how much for the rackmount modena?
Its like 5 finger death punch in a box! I think the m 60 might be more for me, then I could always pair it up with herbert...that should sound......Freakin sinister!
 
man I have to disagree.... a herbert is THE most crushing amp out there out of the box I think next to a VH4 CRANKED, and an Engl SE. The Modena's cut thru a HELL of a lot more than the herbert. As far as playing alone at home, the herbert is unbeatable, great master and massive crushing tone. The elmwood is a bit more classy and refined, it will slice through a mix, a lot better than the herbert, no doubt. In the price range however, if ya can ditch the bells and whitles, my favorite is the wizard modern classic 100, with the m90/m60 behind it. My vote goes however to the SE for your scenario, OR the MC100.
Josh
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Well I will say it was against an M90, but I haven't tried an M60. The presence was up'd on mine and I think thats how all the new Herberts are now. It cut quite well after that. Which I guess I should've mentioned now that I think about it. But I dunno, I never noticed a HUGE difference and I play mids cranked. However I will say the Modena had more presence to play with, so solos do pop out more, but they both have two master volumes. I don't get the at home comment though, NEVER had a problem cutting at outdoor festivals with no mic or at larger venues with the Herbert. :dunno:
 
between the M60 or the 90, If I was doing the material you listed I would choose the m90. the 60 is more mid.. El34's.. get the 90. I tried a Se and liked it.. good for this stuff as well. but I felt the elmwood had a better in your face tone/presence.

as a m60 owner, the 60 is what I prefer for leads. never a problem with my place in the mix.
 
Do any of you have a problem getting the modena 90 cooking on stage? or do they complain its too loud before you hit its sweet spot? where the m60 will get there faster, i guess like the marshall 50 watt vs the 100watt? right?
 
PS... I dont want this to turn out to be like my splawn trial and error thing. I bought the splawn nitro thinkin it was going to be the bomb,NOT... sold it a month later after waiting 6 months, then played a quickrod way nicer amp, but still not sold on it either.I love how the peavey 6505+ just tears up shit, it always sounds great and cuts" yes mids" like a samurai.I wish I could demo both modenas side by side,no dealers near me.
 
Ive owned an SE, and also played a m.90 for a couple of hours,to me, the modena reminds me of my soldano slo lead voice,big,full,lots of sustain,but yet cuts through any mix really well.(to this day the slo is still my fav, all around lead tone,and ive owned one for 15 years)...The SE may have a bit more to offer someone thats into aggresive modern metal.The lead chan has tons of gain....go play em both, thats the best way to decide.
 
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