EVH, I don't get it...

[67Mopar]

If the Lesson of VH has any truth embedded in it, it is that One Great Band - or even One Great Musician - can change the course of musical history. We have witnessed this effect time and time again. That's what this thread is all about, and in the end what people think is irrelevant. Stuff happens.

I predict that the artist who will become The Next Big Thing in Rock is an impressionable 10 year-old who just discovered his Mom's Mötorhead CDs/albums:

"Killed By Death"! I haven't listened to this since the 80's!

 

[duodecim]

[...]
Watch at :22.............those moments do not happen anymore and dare y0ou to find one from the past several years.

I am going through a total rebirth of listening to old VH, dime a plexi with low outpup pups and after a while it will come.

Man, those sync'ed jumps to the front of the stage are tacky. I'm talking Bon Jovi – tacky.

The eighties were horrible. Van Halen is like the pinnacle of bland American early 80's rock and I guess you need to have been young at the wrong place at the wrong time to have gotten into it. Let's face it, it was the start of metal-pop and glam-rock: sleazy, shallow and without any substance. Sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll poured together mixed with overly commercial sell-out music. Luckily the Big Four saved some of the eighties, as well as the death metal and later the black metal underground.

Joey, you're f'n brave to bring that up on this forum, man. It's one of the last strongholds of those who haven't given up on eye-liner yet.

Let me join you burning at the stake when the 80's posse finds the right make-up and hairdo and finally catches up with us on those pesky platform shoes.

 

[rsm]

[...]
Watch at :22.............those moments do not happen anymore and dare y0ou to find one from the past several years.

I am going through a total rebirth of listening to old VH, dime a plexi with low outpup pups and after a while it will come.

Man, those sync'ed jumps to the front of the stage are tacky. I'm talking Bon Jovi – tacky.

They weren't "tacky" in '78. I saw them live in '78 opening on Black Sabbath's Never Say Die tour. EVH ran up the front of the amp, and flipped over, ran to the front of the stage and did a homeplate slide.... a few times. DLR's aerial splits, and amazing, yes amazing, screams (not Ian Gillan amazing, but amazing IMO).

The raw energy of that show has only been topped in my experience (live in the audience), by Pantera Cowboys and Vulgar tours...in a small club. Even the first Clash of the Titans with Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax (and Public Enemy)...with an unknown AIC as then opener (got boo'd off BTW) didn't compare (earlier Slayer shows around Hell Awaits...yes close maybe).

It is tough to "get" if you didn't live it IMO. As I stated in my earlier post; in my life there were 3 guitar eras I experienced, this is all IMO/IME/YMMV:

pre-Hendrix / post-Hendrix (I was very young, but rock guitar was changed)
pre-EVH / post-EVH (if you didn't get into rock and metal pre-EVH you may not realize the profound impact on rock guitar)
pre-Metallica / post-Metallica. After I heard Kill 'em All, I was interested, after I heard Ride the Ligtning...every other metal band I listened to or was digging sounded dated and old (except Sabbath, maybe)



IMO; IME; YMMV

 

[duodecim]

They weren't "tacky" in '78. I saw them live in '78 opening on Black Sabbath's Never Say Die tour. He ran up the front of the amp, and flipped over, ran to the front of the stage and did a homeplate slide.... a few times. The raw energy of that show has only been topped in my experience (live in the audience), by Pantera Cowboys and Vulgar tours...in a small club. Even the first Clash of the Titans with Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax (and Public Enemy)...with an unknown AIC as then opener (got boo'd off BTW) didn't compare (earlier Slayer shows around Hell Awaits...yes close maybe).

It is tough to "get" if you didn't live it IMO. As I stated in my earlier post; in my life there were 3 guitar eras I experienced, this is all IMO/IME/YMMV:

pre-Hendrix / post-Hendrix (I was very young, but rock guitar was changed)
pre-EVH / post-EVH (if you didn't get into rock and metal pre-EVH you may not realize the profound impact on rock guitar)
pre-Metallica / post-Metallica. After I heard Kill 'em All, I was interested, after I heard Ride the Ligtning...every other metal band I listened to or was digging sounded dated and old (except Sabbath, maybe)



IMO; IME; YMMV

I hadn't been born yet in '78.

Most eighties music did not stand the test of time. I like Hendrix, Sabbath, Floyd, Zeppelin, Purple and all those bands. While I can see Van Halen fathered a lot of 80's music (most of which I dislike), I suppose I can't lump them in with some of those metal-pop and glam-rock bands. Ed himself might have been influential, but the music itself and the topics really lead into bland 80's music in my opinion.

Indeed, YMMV. To each their own.

 

[thiswaythatway]

with posts like EVH, I don't get it... rock n roll is not in good shape

I wouldn't put much stock in an opinion like that when the guy has a douchebag like John fucking Mayer in his avatar.

 

[rsm]

They weren't "tacky" in '78. I saw them live in '78 opening on Black Sabbath's Never Say Die tour. He ran up the front of the amp, and flipped over, ran to the front of the stage and did a homeplate slide.... a few times. The raw energy of that show has only been topped in my experience (live in the audience), by Pantera Cowboys and Vulgar tours...in a small club. Even the first Clash of the Titans with Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax (and Public Enemy)...with an unknown AIC as then opener (got boo'd off BTW) didn't compare (earlier Slayer shows around Hell Awaits...yes close maybe).

It is tough to "get" if you didn't live it IMO. As I stated in my earlier post; in my life there were 3 guitar eras I experienced, this is all IMO/IME/YMMV:

pre-Hendrix / post-Hendrix (I was very young, but rock guitar was changed)
pre-EVH / post-EVH (if you didn't get into rock and metal pre-EVH you may not realize the profound impact on rock guitar)
pre-Metallica / post-Metallica. After I heard Kill 'em All, I was interested, after I heard Ride the Ligtning...every other metal band I listened to or was digging sounded dated and old (except Sabbath, maybe)



IMO; IME; YMMV

I hadn't been born yet in '78.

Most eighties music did not stand the test of time. I like Hendrix, Sabbath, Floyd, Zeppelin, Purple and all those bands. While I can see Van Halen fathered a lot of 80's music (most of which I dislike), I suppose I can't lump them in with some of those metal-pop and glam-rock bands. Ed himself might have been influential, but the music itself and the topics really lead into bland 80's music in my opinion.

Indeed, YMMV. To each their own.

I hear ya, and you kinda prove my point. I heard about Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis, Chuck Berry, etc. from my parents; Glenn Miller from my grandparents...and I don't get it...didn't live it.

That said, I don't think the cheezy copycats or even some of the stuff from EVH that didn't seem to show his capabilities, in music from the 80's and guitarists that followed after him and copied him, is not a real reflection of EVH's impact. Sure the music is subjective but it doesn't diminish his impact on rock guitar playing IMO.

Just search on the top music of '77 - 78 (I think we were still in midst of Fusion rock and disco, with punk still really underground. Sex Pistols and Ramones about that time IIRC? Listen to most of the rock at the time (I remeber lots of Cars, J. Geils, Stones (Some Girls?), Springsteen, Journey, REO Speedwagon, Boston, Bob Seger, Dan Fogelberg, James Taylor... being popular...most of which I couldn't stand and still don't...I did go see Boston and few other bands because I had a connection to get into the venue and get great seats...we saw everyone that came through...

 

[311boogieman]

In addition to all the other things he has done, EVH also was the first to record more than one album with a slaved Vox. True story. I read it on the internet.

with posts like EVH, I don't get it... rock n roll is not in good shape

I wouldn't put much stock in an opinion like that when the guy has a douchebag like John fucking Mayer in his avatar.

That's kinda what I was thinkin'

 

[TeleBlaster]

I wouldn't put much stock in an opinion like that when the guy has a douchebag like John fucking Mayer in his avatar.

FTW

 

[carl roa]

To the OP. I would recommend you check the Fair Warning album. Rock guitar masterpiece. Also, there are not many players who can play with the feel Eddie has. Often overlooked it his incredible Rhythm guitar work.

 

[mixohoytian]

^^^
This



Fair warning = art
not silly cock rock

 

[Greazygeo]

^^^
This



Fair warning = Yawn Rock
not silly cock rock

 

[9ball]

If the Lesson of VH has any truth embedded in it, it is that One Great Band - or even One Great Musician - can change the course of musical history. We have witnessed this effect time and time again. That's what this thread is all about, and in the end what people think is irrelevant. Stuff happens.

I predict that the artist who will become The Next Big Thing in Rock is an impressionable 10 year-old who just discovered his Mom's Mötorhead CDs/albums:

"Killed By Death"! I haven't listened to this since the 80's!

i just saw motorhead play a couple weeks ago in st louis touring for their new album they just put out....again lol.
whoever says rock is dead needs to stop playing guitar and go watch some martha stewart videos or something.

 

[thiswaythatway]

[...]
Watch at :22.............those moments do not happen anymore and dare y0ou to find one from the past several years.

I am going through a total rebirth of listening to old VH, dime a plexi with low outpup pups and after a while it will come.

Man, those sync'ed jumps to the front of the stage are tacky. I'm talking Bon Jovi – tacky.

The eighties were horrible. Van Halen is like the pinnacle of bland American early 80's rock and I guess you need to have been young at the wrong place at the wrong time to have gotten into it. Let's face it, it was the start of metal-pop and glam-rock: sleazy, shallow and without any substance. Sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll poured together mixed with overly commercial sell-out music. Luckily the Big Four saved some of the eighties, as well as the death metal and later the black metal underground.

Joey, you're f'n brave to bring that up on this forum, man. It's one of the last strongholds of those who haven't given up on eye-liner yet.

Let me join you burning at the stake when the 80's posse finds the right make-up and hairdo and finally catches up with us on those pesky platform shoes.

I'm sorry but I'm going to have to raise my fists and say, Fuck that shit. 80's ruled. SOOO much more better music was released back then than the crap in the past 2 decades. There was an aweful lot more than just 80's sleaze LA rock being released but if you're that narrow minded enough to think that way go right ahead. But whatever, go listen to your crappy death metal that will be forgotten in 2 years while records like AC/DC BACK IN BLACK will be played forever. And if you include the last few years of the 70's it was THE best time ever for rock music.

Let's see, right off the top of my head albums and bands that were in their prime.

Master Or Puppets
Purple Rain
Joshua Tree
Pink Floyd the Wall and Darkside
Van Halen in top form
Journey in their heyday
The Police
Ozzy with Randy Rhoads
The Cure and all the other new Cutting Edge bands that created alternative
The Clash
Slayer
Megadeath
Maiden
Priest
Guns & Roses
Aerosmith
Southern rock, Skynard and Almond Bros

Yeah sure, the 80's sucked.

 

[mixohoytian]

^^^
This



Fair warning = Yawn Rock
not silly cock rock

yeah we're runnin' a little bit hot tonight....

 

[67Mopar]

Glam wasn't started in the 80's. Its roots come from the early 1970's. Bowie, T-Rex, Sweet, Reed, NY Dolls...

The 70's and 80's were totally "cocaine driven"! The music always reflects the drug of the era - and vise versa. The 60's it was acid, and in the 90's it was heroin. It's kind of like how a pack of cigarettes was always priced in approximation to the average cost of a school lunch! But I digress...

The drug of the 21st century is VANITY!

 

[Skrln]

I'm born in the late eighties, but I totally dig the entire 80's era. I don't get the hendrix idolization though... Just not my thing. Maybe because the recording quality back then was just not good!

 

[67Mopar]

I'm born in the late eighties, but I totally dig the entire 80's era. I don't get the hendrix idolization though... Just not my thing. Maybe because the recording quality back then was just not good!

"I don't get the hendrix idolization though..."

 

[Greazygeo]

I'm born in the late eighties, but I totally dig the entire 80's era. I don't get the hendrix idolization though... Just not my thing. Maybe because the recording quality back then was just not good!

I don't either....I'll say both Hendrix and VH had killer drummers.

 

[Badronald]

I don't get the hendrix idolization though...

 

[gkinsingapore]

Most eighties music did not stand the test of time

really?!?!?

Even the stuff I didn't like is still all over the radio and being played in pubs and clubs not to mention being redone on shows like Glee and American Idol.

The most downloaded song of all time is an 80's song!!

Even today I'd take Girls Just Wanna Have Fun (as an off the top of my head example!) over much of what came out in the 90's and 2000's.