EVH Music Man floyd question...problem

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I've been getting great tips and pointers from Chris (Stramm8) on cleaning up my EVH EBMM guitar that was pretty much beat to death over the last 20 years. I managed to clean up the neck, frets, body, etc. Took the floyd off the body and took it apart to try to clean the mess it became (mainly the chrome plating was off in spots on some of the saddles). It's not perfect but looks better than it did. I could replace the floyd but I'd have to send it to EB in order for them to send me a new one. However, it wouldn't be original anymore so I want to keep this in tact.

My problem is the bar on the floyd. If you have this guitar or have owned one, you know that the bar slides through this other piece that sits on top of the bridge. It passes through that and through a cylinder that you can tighten or loosen underneath. However, the top piece seems to rotate 180 degrees no matter how I tighten or loosen everything. Was this part originally soldered to the bridge? If so, I don't see any indication that it was. The more you hold the bar and rotate it, the looser the whole thing becomes.

Here are a few pics of the part and you can see the different positions.

https://s120.photobucket.com/user/Skyhig ... 9.jpg.html

https://s120.photobucket.com/user/Skyhig ... 0.jpg.html

https://s120.photobucket.com/user/Skyhig ... 1.jpg.html
 
There should be a nut or a knurled collar on the bottom that holds that bar attachment part in place like this...

huge pic... http://www.fretdreamer.fr/parts/images/ ... _block.jpg

Tighten that and it will stop it from spinning.

The EBMM Floyd is just a Gotoh brand Floyd with their logo on it so you can buy a new Gotoh Floyd and swap over its saddles and bar to your base and get rid of all the rusted parts yet keep the music man labeled base if you wanted to.
 
All those parts are there but when I tighten from the bottom, the bar becomes stiff and won't move. The top piece also doesn't seem to sit still at all almost like its supposed to be attached?
 
Does anyone know what that part is called that I'm referring to in the first post? The piece with the small allen hole to tighten or loosen the arm....I think that may be the probably...
 
Yes, there is a small allen screw to adjust the tightness on the side. Let me know if you still need some help, I'm at home and have mine right here.
 
21_guitars":19yf0g74 said:
Yes, there is a small allen screw to adjust the tightness on the side. Let me know if you still need some help, I'm at home and have mine right here.
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I got that...I can tighten that. The problem is the whole piece that it sits in. It rotates freely on top of the bridge if that makes sense. I think something is wrong with the part or the part underneath. Here's a pic...does this look right for these 2 parts that the arm slides through?

https://s120.photobucket.com/user/Skyhig ... 2.jpg.html
 
XSSIVE":ha2niqa8 said:
There should be a nut or a knurled collar on the bottom that holds that bar attachment part in place like this...

huge pic... http://www.fretdreamer.fr/parts/images/ ... _block.jpg

Tighten that and it will stop it from spinning.

The EBMM Floyd is just a Gotoh brand Floyd with their logo on it so you can buy a new Gotoh Floyd and swap over its saddles and bar to your base and get rid of all the rusted parts yet keep the music man labeled base if you wanted to.
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The evh gotoh floyd used offset saddles. They changed them when it changed to the axis. The people who buy/sell/trade these are very particular in keeping them original
 
lessthan12":17t8sieu said:
The evh gotoh floyd used offset saddles. They changed them when it changed to the axis. The people who buy/sell/trade these are very particular in keeping them original
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This is true....

I've never noticed this before, but looking at the fretboard, there's pits/dents here and there. Anyone else have this on other guitars? I'm starting to get a little pissed. I'm not talking on the fret wires...I'm talking on the wood itself.
 
Is that supposed to be threaded into the trem plate? It doesn't make any sense that would be a free moving piece with a screw on the bottom to tighten it up (since it would never tighten). I don't know if that is supposed to be threaded, but my guess would be that it is.

Where that piece goes into the trem plate, are there any threads? I would think either the trem plate or that top piece should be threaded (along with the long piece).
 
Rogue":23bj93wk said:
Is that supposed to be threaded into the trem plate? It doesn't make any sense that would be a free moving piece with a screw on the bottom to tighten it up (since it would never tighten). I don't know if that is supposed to be threaded, but my guess would be that it is.

Where that piece goes into the trem plate, are there any threads?
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There's threads in both pieces but they don't seem to go into each other. I don't get it
 
SkyhighRocks":1pdu46a0 said:
There's threads in both pieces but they don't seem to go into each other. I don't get it
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Did you have to rotate that long piece to get it out of the trem?
 
Rogue":d9zw9gr9 said:
SkyhighRocks":d9zw9gr9 said:
There's threads in both pieces but they don't seem to go into each other. I don't get it
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Did you have to rotate that long piece to get it out of the trem?
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Not sure what you mean. The long piece goes under the bridge and basically falls off at this point. I'm assuming it's supposed to connect with the smaller piece somehow but I don't see how it's possible.
 
I meant unscrew it. To get that whole mechanism off, did you have to unscrew anything? It seems to me that long piece would need to screw into the term plate or would slide through it, and then the top piece would screw on to the long piece.

If it doesn't have to screw into the trem, you should be able to buy those two pieces and good to go. If it does have to screw into the trem, and there's no threads in it, you'd have to buy that trem plate.
 
Maybe 21 guitars can pull off that top piece on his and see if that bottom piece moves at all.
 
I'm thinking something is missing. I didnt do anything. I was reattaching the Floyd to the body when it fell off. It looks like the long piece "should" be longer to go through the hole of the bridge and them screw into the top piece with small Allen wrench hole but it doesn't go through. The washer stops it. Where would I get these pieces?
 
I don't know where you would get them, but yeah, something isnt right. I guess contact EB and ask them.
 
EB would want me to send them the whole tremolo in order to get a new one. I tried about a year ago and didn't like that option.
 
Are those early trems gotohs? You might could ask them.

Still get with 21 guitars. If your trem plate is supposed to be threaded and there's no threads in it, you'll have to get a new one anyways (or do some kind of insert or something). You need to make that determination first.
 
Yes it's a gotoh. They changed some things on them when Eddie left and e guitar became the axis. I've been doing google searches for parts but can't find anything or even know what to call those parts.
 
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