Fender Reissue Plus Concept Amp! Calling all Rig Talk dudes!

[The~Kid]

I have already sent Fender an email regarding this from other polls I set up other forums and even contacted a high profile amp designer regarding these at FMIC and asked him to send the link over to HQ. He agreed it made sense and he also believed it to be a good idea.

Just here for more support.

Would like to get as much feedback as possible. Thanks guys

This isnt a bash on Reissues as I own a beautiful Princeton RI LTD 112. It isnt about displacing the Reissue line but extending the range to include Reissues with added features.


Respect to those who love your Reissues like me and Im not here to bash.....https://www.thegearpage.net/board/i...l ... 2.2109108/


That being said please keep an open mind my new friends.



The Concept "The Reissue Plus Series", the idea, take the same Reissues we know and love in the 65 series such as The Twin Reverb, Deluxe Reverb and Princeton Reverb and add modern features to them such as an FX loop, DI for recording, Master Volume/Attenuator all situated in the back of the panel to keep with asthetics.

These will obviosly cost more but there for those of us who are willing to pay for them or add to rig to accompany your current Reissue or to straight up trade up.


If enough of us come together we can make this concept a reality.




These are the only things I can think of that would add value to the amps and make them useful for modern players and the times but if anyone else has some other ideas feel free to chime in?





Its just a concept but Imagine the same Reissues we have now but with modern features. FX loop, DI for recording or used live straight into PA, Master Volume/Attenuator.




The idea is these would be its own line and the regular Reissues would still be available but a few would be transformed into Plus versions with the extra features for those of us who want them and are willing to pay up.


The hope would be DI with RL, Master and FX loop.

These would also be great FRFR alternatives for those witj NexGeb AxeFX, Helix, Kemper, 11 Rack etc etc with these added features would make a great platform for current modeling units


If we get enough people we can eventually email this thread link to Fender in hopes that they may take it into consideration.



Thanks guys and lets get this going.







Join in, the worst that could happen is Fender doesnt make them even if enough of us agree its a good idea but after all no harm in trying right.



Lets not be afraid to fail and lets do this guys!!!!



Thanks for your time guys and Cheers. Well wishes and new year.

If you feel its a good idea cast a vote and send a link to Fender HQ for this concept to maybe be made in the future.



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[blackba]

Many of these features have been implemented in the Fender tonemaster series, short of the loop.

I think there could be a market, but I see potentially confusion in the line if these were released. You have the tone masters, the reissues, the '68 custom, and the handwired custom amps. That's a lot of amps in the same footprint if you added these.

 

[herewegoagain]

Everything Fender is reissuing or making, as far as I can tell, are Combo Amps. I would love to see genuine reissues of the vintage tube heads..(Bassman, Tremolux. Bandmaster, Showman etc)...make them to the exact original specs, and let every one of these have reverb...I couldn't care less about master volume/OD,Trem etc..

 

[The~Kid]

Many of these features have been implemented in the Fender tonemaster series, short of the loop.

I think there could be a market, but I see potentially confusion in the line if these were released. You have the tone masters, the reissues, the '68 custom, and the handwired custom amps. That's a lot of amps in the same footprint if you added these.

Yeah but Tone Masters suck donkeys arse and sound nothing like the real thing........ and you can get the real thing for not a whole lot more money tbh....... so why the hell get a Tone Master


So um can we have Fender modules instead of 3rd party whatever to update Reissues...... or well sell Reissues with modules or something and call them Plus versions.

 

[The~Kid]

Also said this before...... but these amps really show there is still good in the world and a better job could be done to keep them relevant in the 21st Century vs the pile of dogshit that are "Tone Masters" IMO........



Saw a video of Pete Thorne talking about the Shure 15 IR.......


I really do vibe with what hes saying there about that amp and well have played live and keeping volume and playing nice with the soundman and venue is always a thing and IRs and RLs are just obvious solutions to real problems players face along with a Master\Attenuator FX loop, just simple things already available on a many new amps or have been around for a while.

Again I love my Princeton RI and I love tube amps and I feel we're always going to find a need and go back to these old designs and technology but we need a way to keep on pushing these old, true and tried amplifiers more and still find ways to make them more relevant in a more new and fast changing world and really I feel these additions to existing Reissue platforms would do just that by incorporating new tech that helps us players tap into these old great tones with modern benefits and it keeps and helps the tube amp we all know and love more adaptable and better suited for yesterdays, todays and tomorows world.

If you share the same love for tube amps as I do and would still like to see them in their traditional forms or any capacity and keep them accessible I really feel more stuff like this needs to be done to keep them alive and viable in todays changing world.

I really feel this is important to bring up or mention and if like me you care about and love tube amps/RI series and want to keep them alive today and well into tommorow for future generations on mass give a like and show some love or come in and Post and discuss.

Really feel this would be a plus for tube amps and tube amp lovers in general and hopefully maybe....they may be made one day and we can enjoy em and the Reissues we all know and love can come into the 21st century shining and ready to go, ready for anything you throw at them , ready for the players of yesterday, today and tomorrow. Always looking to the horizon but always taking a nod to the past as we should and respecting traditions but always looking forward. Thats what guitars always been about IMO

 

[DanTravis62]

Everything Fender is reissuing or making, as far as I can tell, are Combo Amps. I would love to see genuine reissues of the vintage tube heads..(Bassman, Tremolux. Bandmaster, Showman etc)...make them to the exact original specs, and let every one of these have reverb...I couldn't care less about master volume/OD,Trem etc..

This.

A reissue ab763 would absolutely fucking slap.

 

[The~Kid]

Everything Fender is reissuing or making, as far as I can tell, are Combo Amps. I would love to see genuine reissues of the vintage tube heads..(Bassman, Tremolux. Bandmaster, Showman etc)...make them to the exact original specs, and let every one of these have reverb...I couldn't care less about master volume/OD,Trem etc..

This.

A reissue ab763 would absolutely fucking slap.

A return of Bandmasters would be dope and some others like the Showman.......

And I think they still make the Bassman but in combo and yeah those things are sick ass hell still IMO. One of my personal faves aside from the Princeton Reverb Reissue is the Vibro King and Super Reverb.


Isn't a Deluxe Reverb pretty much a ab763 or is there something more to it. They make the 64 Deluxe Reverb and say it's a modified ab763. Not sure if a 65 Reissue is the same or diff but yeab. The only stupid thing about the 64 ImO is that it cost north of 3000$ and it comes with Jenson ceramic vs something like a Jenson Alnico or hell even a nice Eminence Alnico at that point or something but otherwise looks great

 

[DanTravis62]

A return of Bandmasters would be dope and some others like the Showman.......

And I think they still make the Bassman but in combo and yeah those things are sick ass hell still IMO. One of my personal faves aside from the Princeton Reverb Reissue is the Vibro King and Super Reverb.


Isn't a Deluxe Reverb pretty much a ab763 or is there something more to it. They make the 64 Deluxe Reverb and say it's a modified ab763. Not sure if a 65 Reissue is the same or diff but yeab. The only stupid thing about the 64 ImO is that it cost north of 3000$ and it comes with Jenson ceramic vs something like a Jenson Alnico or hell even a nice Eminence Alnico at that point or something but otherwise looks great

They say the 64 is the same preamp, but it isn't the same as far as sound. It needs to be a head, and it needs to have the big iron and big bottle tubes.

For any vintage style amp, individual components start mattering way, way more. The more simple it is, the more each component matters.... ask people who make Rats. They can say it's the same circuit all they want but it doesn't sound anywhere close to the vintage bassman and bandmasters.

And the speaker choice is something fender is pretty bad at with their modern amps, and specfically why a ton of people would be a lot more interested in a head.

 

[The~Kid]

They say the 64 is the same preamp, but it isn't the same as far as sound. It needs to be a head, and it needs to have the big iron and big bottle tubes.

For any vintage style amp, individual components start mattering way, way more. The more simple it is, the more each component matters.... ask people who make Rats. They can say it's the same circuit all they want but it doesn't sound anywhere close to the vintage bassman and bandmasters.

And the speaker choice is something fender is pretty bad at with their modern amps, and specfically why a ton of people would be a lot more interested in a head.

This is totally true and I have asked people who make RATs and well the RATs........ and even though they broke down the procedure to a conveyer line like aspect in a sense even though it reallt wasnt....... because people were still involve........


But there were how do I say "stages" to building a RAT or "phases" as to it how to make a RAT that were rather simple from what I was told that anyone could do following written instructions at each phase/stage of assembly...... and people still mattered and skill mattered because it depended on them and the people who actually had to make such products.


It's hard to explain but when manufacturing products there is a margin of error....... and well depending on method of manufacturing that margin could be high as in much of the 50s and 60s or low as what Pro Co was starting to develop and make with the RAT........ it's not complicated to make a RAT but the procedures to secure consistency making one or any product while simple are harder to achieve, develop and implement or were in the initial stages of the industry from that standpoint IMO.



The way Pro Co did it with the RAT by breaking it down much how Ford did or more so simply reduced the likelihood of errors and narrowed the margins of errors relative to anything before or how things were made in the industry before to put it simply.........


This way every RAT was made to more or less to a really consistent standard and there was less room for margin of error. Before the RAT there really wasn't such consistency with pedals from that standpoint in general....... maybe the only other real competition at the time in regards to QC and consistency was Boss or Maxon....... but other than that......




The RAT kind of established basic QC and consistency methods that to this day hold true and strong not just in America or China from that viewpoint but the world over.



The important thing to remember is that good things in life are simple sometimes and actually easier to achieve than not and there really is no "secret"........ but that is easier said that done sometimes that's for sure

 

[NowYou'rePlayingWithPower]

This is totally true and I have asked people who make RATs and well the RATs........ and even though they broke down the procedure to a conveyer line like aspect in a sense even though it reallt wasnt....... because people were still involve........


But there were how do I say "stages" to building a RAT or "phases" as to it how to make a RAT that were rather simple from what I was told that anyone could do following written instructions at each phase/stage of assembly...... and people still mattered and skill mattered because it depended on them and the people who actually had to make such products.


It's hard to explain but when manufacturing products there is a margin of error....... and well depending on method of manufacturing that margin could be high as in much of the 50s and 60s or low as what Pro Co was starting to develop and make with the RAT........ it's not complicated to make a RAT but the procedures to secure consistency making one or any product while simple are harder to achieve, develop and implement or were in the initial stages of the industry from that standpoint IMO.



The way Pro Co did it with the RAT by breaking it down much how Ford did or more so simply reduced the likelihood of errors and narrowed the margins of errors relative to anything before or how things were made in the industry before to put it simply.........


This way every RAT was made to more or less to a really consistent standard and there was less room for margin of error. Before the RAT there really wasn't such consistency with pedals from that standpoint in general....... maybe the only other real competition at the time in regards to QC and consistency was Boss or Maxon....... but other than that......




The RAT kind of established basic QC and consistency methods that to this day hold true and strong not just in America or China from that viewpoint but the world over.



The important thing to remember is that good things in life are simple sometimes and actually easier to achieve than not and there really is no "secret"........ but that is easier said that done sometimes that's for sure

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[The~Kid]

Are you a temu or wishdotcom chatbot?

I'm a Facebook chatbot........ even worse and more lame

 

[gkl003]

okay good that so nice to know.

 

[VonBonfire]

A new TRRI is 2100 bucks. So how much with the attenuator? Way too much damn money. I know guys like FX loops but that's worthless to me. Agree with @The~Kid the tone masters are crap so maybe there is some potential there but damn the new gear pricing. I'd be more game if Fender started making a new JBL D/K series. I'll just stick with my trusty old SF amps until I can afford something else.

 

[JackBootedThug]

Damn bro…. When you post you fucking post…for reelz….

 

[VonBonfire]

Damn bro…. When you post you fucking post…for reelz….

Respect your public library.

Either get your readers out and get busy or get out!

Though I could give a shit about new Fender gear who's vintage counterpart is often available for the same or less money, I think it's awesome @The~Kid reached out to Fender about this. Someone needs to spur some new developments in that lame corporate behemoth. They could just alter the entire RI line to have a lot of these features plus add a few new versions of classic heads and combos and probably do better.

 

[The~Kid]

Respect your public library.

Either get your readers out and get busy or get out!

Though I could give a shit about new Fender gear who's vintage counterpart is often available for the same or less money, I think it's awesome @The~Kid reached out to Fender about this. Someone needs to spur some new developments in that lame corporate behemoth. They could just alter the entire RI line to have a lot of these features plus add a few new versions of classic heads and combos and probably do better.

I mean this. The Reissues will always be there...... but I mean they need updates for the 21st century IMO.


One of the dudes I hit up at Fender/EVH about this as wasn't just anybody........ not going to say any names but yeah.... dude thought it was a great idea and was like why the hell not....... unfortunately dudes not at the Fender side exactly even though EVH is owned by Fender they are diff departments apparently and run independently from one another.


Also it's not asking for a lot and these are just basic things amps in the 21st century come with to make things easier and more practical for players.

 

[The~Kid]

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[skoora]

This.

A reissue ab763 would absolutely fucking slap.

Harmonic trem or no? I really wish Fender would expand on Brown and blonde ‘60-‘63 amps. But offering even the combo’s as heads like the Vibrolux and Super etc. The only feature I think would be cool is a decent post phase inverter Master. Loop for these is probably just as problematic as it is for plexi’s etc. as I like to crank Fenders.
If I was gigging I might care about if they could make a great sounding one that also has Direct out options with decent IR’s or loading your own, but I don’t, so I don’t.
I can’t see Fender wanting to sink a lot into developing this when modeling is probably going to be the predominant direct/quiet stage/recording technology for the near future. QC, Helix, AxeFx, Kemper, Tone X, Fender’s own Tonemaster Pro…etc etc.

 

[The~Kid]

Harmonic trem or no? I really wish Fender would expand on Brown and blonde ‘60-‘63 amps. But offering even the combo’s as heads like the Vibrolux and Super etc. The only feature I think would be cool is a decent post phase inverter Master. Loop for these is probably just as problematic as it is for plexi’s etc. as I like to crank Fenders.
If I was gigging I might care about if they could make a great sounding one that also has Direct out options with decent IR’s or loading your own, but I don’t, so I don’t.
I can’t see Fender wanting to sink a lot into developing this when modeling is probably going to be the predominant direct/quiet stage/recording technology for the near future. QC, Helix, AxeFx, Kemper, Tone X, Fender’s own Tonemaster Pro…etc etc.

Yeah but ToneMasters are garbage and for as good as a lot of modelers are and they are amazing.....


Nothing really does it like a real tube amp still IMO ^_^


But yeah would be cool if they made 60-63 Reissues without charging an arm and a leg and I agree there..... but either way they should make them and we all know they will be costing an arm and a leg and pay anyways. Also I mean I get..... it's easier to make cheap crap made in China and make more in margins.....


But this isn't about that, and it isn't about it making 100% sense for them to do...... it's just a fun idea and concept and while it may not make sense...... for a lot of the reasons I stated it kind of makes sense to push the Reissues into the 21st Century and keep tube amps like that relevant.

 

[DanTravis62]

Harmonic trem or no? I really wish Fender would expand on Brown and blonde ‘60-‘63 amps. But offering even the combo’s as heads like the Vibrolux and Super etc. The only feature I think would be cool is a decent post phase inverter Master. Loop for these is probably just as problematic as it is for plexi’s etc. as I like to crank Fenders.
If I was gigging I might care about if they could make a great sounding one that also has Direct out options with decent IR’s or loading your own, but I don’t, so I don’t.
I can’t see Fender wanting to sink a lot into developing this when modeling is probably going to be the predominant direct/quiet stage/recording technology for the near future. QC, Helix, AxeFx, Kemper, Tone X, Fender’s own Tonemaster Pro…etc etc.

nah save that for 6g6 bassman clone head. We need one of those too, but they're two separate styles of amps