First gig with the BE100 - help with sorting my tone ?

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Hi all ideas or advice please!

Used my BE100 at a gig on Saturday ( first gig )

Used it with my Friedman 2x12 fitted with Creambacks.

The band did not love the tone.. It was very very bright with a distinct lack of punch and thickness even with eq tweaks and plenty of bass miss and lowering treble and / or presence!

Had my to g system hooked up via 4 cable method as I have with my other rig (Cornford MK50II) but tbh after Saturday the band want the Cornford back and if I'm honest it kicked the BE's arse.
I love the tone I get at lower volumes but expected it to come alive at gig levels.

Help! Any advice please?
 
My Friedman Marshall is WAY too bright too...it has BE/HBE and simple clean...no lows at all, and this was a Super Bass...running NOS 6CA7 tubes.
 
KickTheHabit":1nmnbv2f said:
Hi all ideas or advice please!

Used my BE100 at a gig on Saturday ( first gig )

Used it with my Friedman 2x12 fitted with Creambacks.

The band did not love the tone.. It was very very bright with a distinct lack of punch and thickness even with eq tweaks and plenty of bass miss and lowering treble and / or presence!

Had my to g system hooked up via 4 cable method as I have with my other rig (Cornford MK50II) but tbh after Saturday the band want the Cornford back and if I'm honest it kicked the BE's arse.
I love the tone I get at lower volumes but expected it to come alive at gig levels.

Help! Any advice please?
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Wow. I've got a newer 2014 version and I'm playing with Creambacks also, and I have a very warm cutting tone. Was cab on floor? You sure it's not tube related? I've only played 2 gigs with it so far, but the BE100 is a VERY smooth and warm amp that has gotten me THE BEST tone I've even had with my band. My bandmates can't get over the tones and the other guitar player I think wants to kill me for the amp, seriously. You need check tubes, bias, something man cause the BE100 isn't an anyway too bright unless you got a problem of some sort I think.
 
Adambomb":3b9ernva said:
KickTheHabit":3b9ernva said:
Hi all ideas or advice please!

Used my BE100 at a gig on Saturday ( first gig )

Used it with my Friedman 2x12 fitted with Creambacks.

The band did not love the tone.. It was very very bright with a distinct lack of punch and thickness even with eq tweaks and plenty of bass miss and lowering treble and / or presence!

Had my to g system hooked up via 4 cable method as I have with my other rig (Cornford MK50II) but tbh after Saturday the band want the Cornford back and if I'm honest it kicked the BE's arse.
I love the tone I get at lower volumes but expected it to come alive at gig levels.

Help! Any advice please?
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Wow. I've got a newer 2014 version and I'm playing with Creambacks also, and I have a very warm cutting tone. Was cab on floor? You sure it's not tube related? I've only played 2 gigs with it so far, but the BE100 is a VERY smooth and warm amp that has gotten me THE BEST tone I've even had with my band. My bandmates can't get over the tones and the other guitar player I think wants to kill me for the amp, seriously. You need check tubes, bias, something man cause the BE100 isn't an anyway too bright unless you got a problem of some sort I think.
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Cab was off the deck and mic'd up through our pa ( 3k rig) as I just have the one 2x12 at present. Might need to get it re valved but it's only a couple of months old!

I expected the cab to really kick out some thickness given the build and the rear port etc
 
KickTheHabit":2t1fz0iu said:
Adambomb":2t1fz0iu said:
KickTheHabit":2t1fz0iu said:
Hi all ideas or advice please!

Used my BE100 at a gig on Saturday ( first gig )

Used it with my Friedman 2x12 fitted with Creambacks.

The band did not love the tone.. It was very very bright with a distinct lack of punch and thickness even with eq tweaks and plenty of bass miss and lowering treble and / or presence!

Had my to g system hooked up via 4 cable method as I have with my other rig (Cornford MK50II) but tbh after Saturday the band want the Cornford back and if I'm honest it kicked the BE's arse.
I love the tone I get at lower volumes but expected it to come alive at gig levels.

Help! Any advice please?
Click to expand...

Wow. I've got a newer 2014 version and I'm playing with Creambacks also, and I have a very warm cutting tone. Was cab on floor? You sure it's not tube related? I've only played 2 gigs with it so far, but the BE100 is a VERY smooth and warm amp that has gotten me THE BEST tone I've even had with my band. My bandmates can't get over the tones and the other guitar player I think wants to kill me for the amp, seriously. You need check tubes, bias, something man cause the BE100 isn't an anyway too bright unless you got a problem of some sort I think.
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Cab was off the deck and mic'd up through our pa ( 3k rig) as I just have the one 2x12 at present. Might need to get it re valved but it's only a couple of months old!

I expected the cab to really kick out some thickness given the build and the rear port etc
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When I first got my Creamback M65's I put them in a 2x12 and wasn't too impressed. Then threw them in my Splawn 4x12 in X-pattern with Small Blocks and sound WAY better.

I also experience the opposite as you with the volume... I does sound cool at lower volumes but man it keeps that thick punchy tone and gets way better when the master is on 5.

Are you using the loop? If so, Friedman recommends having the front Master volume on 5 and using the Loop knob as the "main master" volume control when having effects in the loop. I swapped the two JJ HG's for Tung-Sol's as soon as I played it got 10 mins when I got mine last month. But the Tung-Sol's are even brighter. I've never heard or played a bright Frieadman. Hope you figure it out or maybe take it and AB it with another BE100 at the store.
 
Yeah something must be wrong. Most people say it has to much bass and it's dark. Is it a new amp? Where did you get it? I would be happy to check it over.
 
did you put the speakers in it? They normally ship with v30 speakers.
 
The cab was one I got used. The amp is only weeks old. Bought in UK - came from those lovely blokes at Peach Guitars
 
KickTheHabit":2k5d4og1 said:
The cab was one I got used. The amp is only weeks old. Bought in UK - came from those lovely blokes at Peach Guitars
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Well... have you checked any of our suggestions or what dude? And shipping an amp that far, could be tube problem. And tubes are warrenyed for 60-90 days if memory serves me right. So best HOPE ON IT OL MATE :rock:

Cause the Brown Eye is EVERYTHING but thin and too much treble.
 
Most likely a tube issue ... they are the weakest link in any amp, especially with how they make them these days.

Is any of the output power tubes glowing any differently then the other ones? That's what I would check first.
 
It also could be the way the cab is wired if someone did a speaker swap...not to mention the G-System and 4 cable. Make sure to run a buffer in front of the G-System if that's the way you're going to use it. Try plugging straight into the BE-100 and direct to the cab to eliminate everything in the chain. If there's still a thinning and brightness...try a pre tube swap. The BE-100 is far from bright and thin.

I hate to see this in the Subject line of Dave's forum because there are way to many variables for it to be the BE-100 itself.
 
Thin and bright are probably the last adjectives I'd use. Something's wrong...
 
Many variables here. You've got some troubleshooting to do, one piece at a time. Hope it's nothing serious.

Any luck?
 
I had the same experience and sold it the next week. I wonder if the issue is volume, seems to me like any marshall inspired amp you need some of the power tube saturation to be part of the equation. For the gigs I do 100W will never get there without us getting fired. In my basement where I actually play louder than in clubs it sounded great.
 
jharpersj":e6ilrfnw said:
I had the same experience and sold it the next week. I wonder if the issue is volume, seems to me like any marshall inspired amp you need some of the power tube saturation to be part of the equation. For the gigs I do 100W will never get there without us getting fired. In my basement where I actually play louder than in clubs it sounded great.
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This is where a speaker/mic simulator and loadbox can work magic, especially if you're not playing on large stages typically. Plus, you don't have to worry about a mic getting bumped and can use a monitoring system that will be consistent. Turn it up as loud as you like.
 
So many variables it's impossible to point a finger in any particular direction but my BE100 has been pure magic in the mix of a full back line. I love the way it cuts through the mix with fantastic note articulation and punch. I'm perplexed honestly. I'm not a super high gain player though either. I've usually got the gain at noon or slightly below and the master way up and using the FX loop level to get my final volume level set. Sounds flippin' fantastic and has blown away everyone who has heard or played it. One thing worth mentioning though; I was / am a huge Cornford fan (owned a few) but I greatly disliked the Mk50 so you and I are most likely not looking for the same tone and definitely not same feel if the MK50 matches your tastes better than the Friedman. Even so, I'm sure the Friedman can do what you want. It's one of them the most amazing amps ever made IMHO.
 
yes, a lot of variables n the amp ismcompletely the opposite as ur describing. if i was to describe it, i would say thick and dark.

something sounds off. check ur tubes, check ur connections, what are your settings on the amp. u wznt solutions, but not providing the detail...tube statsu, exact setting.
 
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