Found a way to make Cab Impulses work and sound great..

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But you aren't going to like it! (if you can't make noise)

After reading and watching Pete Thorn's vid a week or so back (thanks for doing that btw!) and realizing the negative impact using a hotplate or resistive load would have on my tone, I realized that rather than spending a ton of cash on a Suhr unit (canadian dollar is in the shitter), I would just leave my amp hooked up to my cab and record a signal through the Suhrn Line out into my DAW. Yes it may defeat the purpose of using cab impulses somewhat if i am making noise anyway, but I feel there are definite advantages.

For one, I am still recording a single SM57 just off the cone for reference, to mix in later on if i want, and for "feel". I play better when I feel the cab nearby and can track the mic'd signal in my monitors. Furthermore, because the signal is still going to the cab, my highs are less affected. I use the hotplate to shave off just a tad of volume so I can still crank the amp pretty well between 5-6 on the MV and then I have roxul fiberglass and moving blankets over the cab beside me. The bonus ofcourse, is that I now am not compromising the tone into the IR's and I have a ton of clean options for use within my DAW. They sound great too. I A/B'd with my mic and I liked the IR's better. I never did before..EVER. In fact, I made my wife listen and she also said the IR sounded more refined, fuller, and punchier. That's a win.

The only thing left to try, would be one of those eminence speakers with the attenuation built in. I wonder if that would be worth a go? Would it affect the highs I wonder? Moral of the story, use what you have!
 
awesome, thanks for this

gives me a good reason to sell stuff and get the suhr box or the fryette etc...

another thing you could do is put the cab in a closet or face down with stuff on top of it, so no need to mic it etc...or bury a crappy cab in the ground as your load, sounds crazy...but not as crazy as a few years back when I spent a fortune building a giant iso box...
 
Good point, if you have no need to mic the speaker at all, you totally could put it face down and throw blankets on top. The most important factor is just getting the signal to the speaker and not loading it down. Or you can just buy the suhr load box. Either or... i just know they were harder to come by at first and right now the price still is an issue for north of the border. I also like feeling something. The oomph from that cab. Makes me dig in more. Either way, what a great tool to have. I can finally agree with that.
 
You don't even need something as expensive as the Suhr Line Out box, there are much cheaper DIs that can be used for this and sound fine e.g. the Palmer Pan 02. Just have to make sure the DI is also made for handling speaker levels.
 
I've been very happy with the Torpedo Wall of Sound III system taking a line out from my amps. I can model the power section and I think the cab sims in that are top notch, not to mention ease of use.

I've never actually tried Redwirez (sp?) or Ownhammer.
 
Thats a great idea, i do the same all the time with my Rivera Silent Sister and my Rivera Rockcrusher. What i am wondering if it makes a difference if the speaker cant really breath in the iso box? As we know the miced signal in the Iso cab gives little satisfaction because of the small space in front of the speaker. Now, does this "ISo cab" factor (small space, Speaker does not breathe) come into role if you tap the signal between amp and Iso Cab with a Line Out box? Is this speaker signal in comparison to a freely swinging speaker signal weaker?
When you listen to Pete Thorns video, the real speaker load sounds the best. It is rounder, stronger in the lows and more alive as the Reload, Suhr or Fryette loaded amp. The Suhr load is on 2nd place, it sounds good also.
 
Get a 200 watt EV 12 L and slice the cone out...instant slience, but the amp still sees the voice coil's impedence.
 
Couldn't you do that with any high powered speaker? I am thinking something cheaper like a 75 watt celestion G12T75 or something. If you are cranking a 50 watt amp, that should be enough. So you are saying just slice the inside cone out by going around the edge and that will kill the sound?
 
yes. Gerald Weber details the procedure in one of his books. Basically, he was making a reactive load for amps 50 watts and under for use with headphones...he used an L pad (volume control) too. He actually took the whole voice coil out of the speaker to make it smaller, but just cutting the cone out does the same thing...and I'd use a Celestion K100 at least with a 50 watt amp...just for transient protection. If you blow the voice coil, there goes your output transformer...
 
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http://www.tedweber.com/mass-motor-100w

Also have a 50w version for $30

Very cool! No reason that wouldn't be able to handle a 50 watt amp with the master volume on 6 or 7 if you have a 100W rating. I wonder if this is all Suhr has done, stuck one of these in his box for the reactive load?
 
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