Friedman Amp Line Out vs Speaker Out to Suhr Load Box

[Cap217]

Can you run the friedman line out (with a speaker attached to the head) to your interface then use IRs in the DAW?

I know the suhr to your interface works and it acts as a load so no speaker needs to be hooked up. But do they sound the same or does the Friedman line out do something different? I assume that if the Friedman line out works like I think, I still need to run the master on the amp up to hear through the cab so its not ever silent recording.

 

[errrrrl]

I've never tried my line out on my Friedmans to be honest. I wouldn't think they would be the same as connecting to a Suhr RL cause the Suhr's line out will have the power amp's vibe added to your signal. The line out I'm guessing would be similar to the fx send signal of the loop? Not unless you are taking about the small friedmans with built in mic no mo/cab sim thing like the JJ JR?

 

[ZEN Amps]

Can you run the friedman line out (with a speaker attached to the head) to your interface then use IRs in the DAW?

I know the suhr to your interface works and it acts as a load so no speaker needs to be hooked up. But do they sound the same or does the Friedman line out do something different? I assume that if the Friedman line out works like I think, I still need to run the master on the amp up to hear through the cab so its not ever silent recording.

Yes you can, it's just a line level version of the speaker out and is perfect for what you want. You must have a cab still attached of course.

It's the absolute best way to feed an IR as the cab is enabling the amp to behave exactly as it should, and you're feeding that unaffected signal to your virtual cab. It's a better method than using even the best load box, which by definition is just emulating the impedance curve and load of a real cab.

The main reason load boxes are used of course is because a loud cab is a nuisance sometimes. If you don't care about this, you're all good.

 

[Bardagh]

Yes you can, it's just a line level version of the speaker out and is perfect for what you want. You must have a cab still attached of course.

It's the absolute best way to feed an IR as the cab is enabling the amp to behave exactly as it should, and you're feeding that unaffected signal to your virtual cab. It's a better method than using even the best load box, which by definition is just emulating the impedance curve and load of a real cab.

The main reason load boxes are used of course is because a loud cab is a nuisance sometimes. If you don't care about this, you're all good.

I did not know this. I thought it was some kind of lame preamp signal with a eq filter “cab sim” on it.

 

[Meeotch]

I'd email Dave to confirm. Most line outs are preamp only but maybe Friedman is different.

 

[SpiderWars]

I'd email Dave to confirm. Most line outs are preamp only but maybe Friedman is different.

I thought it was the other way. A line out "should" be a line level signal taken from the speaker jack so the power amp and OT should be included. All it is a big resistor and a pot. The resistor connects the speaker jack to the pot, the pot is grounded. The signal is taken from the pot wiper. Couldn't be simpler. The Suhr Iso box has an isolation transformer so you can flip polarity and won't have hum/buzz issues. I'm not familiar with the Friedman.

 

[scottosan]

I thought it was the other way. A line out "should" be a line level signal taken from the speaker jack so the power amp and OT should be included. All it is a big resistor and a pot. The resistor connects the speaker jack to the pot, the pot is grounded. The signal is taken from the pot wiper. Couldn't be simpler. The Suhr Iso box has an isolation transformer so you can flip polarity and won't have hum/buzz issues. I'm not familiar with the Friedman.

Yes, the like out is from the speaker so you can send it to an interface and apply an IR to it.

 

[ZEN Amps]

I thought it was the other way. A line out "should" be a line level signal taken from the speaker jack so the power amp and OT should be included. All it is a big resistor and a pot. The resistor connects the speaker jack to the pot, the pot is grounded. The signal is taken from the pot wiper. Couldn't be simpler. The Suhr Iso box has an isolation transformer so you can flip polarity and won't have hum/buzz issues. I'm not familiar with the Friedman.

Yes that's what line outs usually are as you can just use the effect send if you want a preamp out.

Some small Friedmans have a compensated line out, I'm just talking about the big boys.

 

[Meeotch]

Ok, I must be mistaken then. I know Mesa labels this as "slave" out indicating a line out from the speaker terminal. And I know at least on some amps it is only the preamp signal.

 

[ZEN Amps]

Ok, I must be mistaken then. I know Mesa labels this as "slave" out indicating a line out from the speaker terminal. And I know at least on some amps it is only the preamp signal.

I'm sure it's all pretty inconsistent amongst manufacturers so always best to check

 

[romanianreaper]

I have the JJ Jr. and that particular Friedman can run without a speaker load. I have run it right into my recording interface. It has a cab emulation built into the line out with a tone shaping option. I don't know how it compares with other speaker emulations, etc but I thought it sounded pretty dang good on recordings.

 

[DanTravis62]

Yes, you can, with most line outs. I've done this multiple times when ive needed to record stuff but i didn't have my mics or any load box.

I don't know if the runt can run without a speaker load, but i know some of them can.

In my experience this can sound quite good. I've done it with my larry before, though most of the time i prefer to use real mics.

 

[cardinal]

I think there are different methods for tapping a line out signal, some of which apparently roll off a healthy amount of low end (ive read the Suhr ISO line out for example is down 3 db at 80 hz), so you should try whatever options available and use whatever sounds best.