Frusciante fanboys?

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ok. I admit, I'm a big RHCP fan, especially the early Hillel stuff, and the Frusciante stuff. Maybe because I'm a bass player, Flea is absofreakinlutely amazin' IMO, but Frusciante has really come into his own since BloodSugarSexMagic, and Stadium Arcadium proves it. Unlike many other bands I like, the RHCP always seem to improve each release, though I miss the raw excitement of the early stuff - Freaky Styley or Uplift MoFo Party Plan, anyone? :thumbsup:

I'm rereading this article again, I saw a video on part of this somewhere too, can't remember the link. Really interesting techniques he used in the studio, recording Stadium Arcadium:

http://www.guitarplayer.com/article/red-hot-chili/Sep-06/23160
 
Mother's Milk was great...not a fan of anything that has come out since :aww:
 
I'd like them much more if they had someone who could actually sing.
 
Frusciante fan boy, yep.

RHCP fanboy, not that much.

Talented guitarist, creative with a basic guitar and a basic amp. And a few pedals - too many for me.
 
ok, so let's forget the singer. They aren't a shredder / metal guitarist's fav either. Playing bass in the early '90s, I was in a band (thrash/speed) with a drummer who also liked them. Before practice, during breaks, and after, we'd jam to RHCP songs, drove the guitarist and singer crazy!

AmpliFIRE":10ccy97i said:
Mother's Milk was great...not a fan of anything that has come out since :aww:

Hmmm, what about before MM? I agree they have "mellowed" with age, but it seems they are capturing the vintage studio excess popular in the '70s ;) From a bass perspective, BSSM was great, and the guitar was more of a fill in (not nearly as irrelevant as in Primus!), but back then they were really dominated by bass and drums IMO. Calfornication and Stadium Arcadium brought more guitar into greater prominence since the very early stuff, IMO.

Mokaccino":10ccy97i said:
Frusciante fan boy, yep.

RHCP fanboy, not that much.

Talented guitarist, creative with a basic guitar and a basic amp. And a few pedals - too many for me.

Wish I resembled that remark (the talented part, not th the too many pedals part)! Exactly what I'm after, basic guitar (Rics) and basic amp with a minimal pedal collection for vintage sound.
 
The new album is :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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I really liked Blood Sugar Sex Magic and Californication. Some cool stuff on those discs for sure. However, I kind of feel like they're in a rut or else they've become pretty complacent do to the success of Californication. It seems like everything they've put out on the radio since Californication sounds like stuff that got thrown out during the recording sessions of that album, but they decided to use anyway. Great musicians, but they need to freshen up their sound a bit IMO.
 
I thought the Navarro era was their best stuff.

My Friends
Warped
Walkabout
Aeroplane

CD fuckin' rocked.

I guess it didn't hurt that Rick Rubin produced it, but damn that was a cool album.
 
Huge, huge longtime RCHP fan here.

It's funny how many people say "I like Mother's Milk." Because the Chili Peppers will admit that it's a MESS of an album. The producer was really making them try to sound like something they're not. Trying to make them sound like a funk-metal band, instead of a funk-rock band. I think Mike Beinhorn was the producer. And they say that they hated working with him. That album sounds like complete ass. The drum triggers, the bass is buried and EQd terribly, the guitars just kinda sound eh.

Now, Blood Sugar Sex Magic is, and will always be, a masterpiece. For them, that's the album they have yet to beat again. I think alot of it had to do with Brendan Obrien behind the board. Sonically, its just superb. Totally organic, totally huge sounding, and totally in your face. Vintage equipment, simple stuff, a few mics, some heavy handed yet subtle compression, and some really good ears. That song is proof positive what great vintage analog equipment can sound like on tape. I also enjoyed how the guitar is more of an accompanying instrument in the mix.

Californication is a sonic nightmare. It just sounds awful to my ears, next to BSSM. By the Way, again. Some weird EQ and mix things going on. Sometimes I wonder how they let stuff like that happen and go to print.

Stadium Arcadium sounds good, sonically. But at first listen, it just doesn't sound sonically exciting. I had to listen a bunch of times to figure out why. Especially to frusciante's guitar parts. At first, I thought "he's playing differently, using less gain, etc, etc..."

But for the most part, I think the BIG reason that his guitar doesn't sound as in-your-face as BSSM, is because there's almost ZERO compression on the tracks. The compression on BSSM made the funk chords absolutely SLASH thru, and cut like a knife, and the chords ring out beautifully, and all the subtle details and string sqeaks and evrything. It made it like your ear was pressed up against that marshall 4x12.

On SA, there's a SH*T ton of swirly, whirly, phasey effects going on, and reverb and whatnot. But the guitars aren't compressed as much, and to me, just sound plinky and boring most times.

Also, I feel like they mixed Stadum Arcadium backwards to how a RCHP album SHOULD be mixed. On BSSM, even if you completely took away the guitar, would still SLAM, because the bass and drums, Chad and Flea, are mixed so well and in the forefront, and the guitar is sprinkled in where it should be. the rhythm section holds that band together, and the guitars and vocals do their thing on top.

Stadium Arcadium, on the other hand, is mixed more like a "typical" rock record. Guitars upfront, and the bass supporting them. But flea's bass sounds weak as shit in the SA mix - it almost sounds like he's playing thru a guitar amp. The problem is the new double CD sounds like the Drums and bass are more of a supporting role, when in THIS band, the beauty is that they SHOULD be more in the forefront.

OK that's my rant.
 
Seperate post for gear:

I've ALWAYS always loved, on Blood Sugar Sex Magic, how frusciante uses his old Boss CE1 Chorus, but he uses it not as a stereo-chorus typical thing, but more of a subtle modulation effect. Especially on some of the gritty funk stuff. Love that.

Its funny, cuz a LOT of the tones on BSSM aren't "good" by many standards. They're thin sounding. They're not SRV rich, or dumble-licious strat tones. They're bridge pickup of a shitty 70s strat thru a marshall. but it just WORKS on that CD.

Mainly because flea's bass takes up SO much of the mix, sonically,that you don't need any more heft in the guitars.

I also must note: Frusciante, during the Mothers Milk tours, had perhaps the WEIRDEST live tone ever. I think it was a Boss DS2 Turbo Distortion, on the HOT mode, into an old marshall. It was a midrangey, honky mess. But it kinda worked. :D

guitarslinger":1dewp13n said:
I thought the Navarro era was their best stuff.

My Friends
Warped
Walkabout
Aeroplane

CD fuckin' rocked.

I guess it didn't hurt that Rick Rubin produced it, but damn that was a cool album.

Indeed it did rock. And you know why? Because FLEA wrote the entire thing, and took charge on that record. If you listen to the songs, despite having Navarro's heavy guitar on them, they're all based around the bass riffs. Which is AWESOME, and which is why I enjoy One Hot Minute more than some of their more recent releases, despite the lack of Frusciante.
 
i loved early peppers and blood sugar sex magik, i even liked the album with dave navarro as well. but to me everything after that was pure shit, while you can argue that the "songwriting" probably got better, catchier melodies, hooks, choruses, to me its unlistenable.
 
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