G major 2 users?

[muudrock]

There shouldnt be any preset lag issues if you are running it through a parallel FX Loop.. but I can see where a series loop would cause a problem with that, as 100% of your signal is going through the GMajor unit.

But should work flawlessly in a parallel loop!

except many of the effects cant be used in a parallel loop.

chorus, flanger, phaser, tremolo, univibe, noise gate and EQ would no longer be able to be used.

That's not entirely true. Effects like chorus, phaser and flanger often use a 50/50% mix (50 % direct, 50% processed).
Which means that you can use these effects without problems in a parallel setup with their Mix parameter set to 100%.

True, but a lot of the times a parallel loop will cause a strange phasey sound with modulation effects due to the slight time difference between the dry signal and effected signal (A/D D/A) conversion. Some are worse than others. I personally have never had good luck with modulation effects in a parallel loop--always sounds "off" and weak.
Of course, if that's the sound your going for, all is good.

 

[Yek]

There shouldnt be any preset lag issues if you are running it through a parallel FX Loop.. but I can see where a series loop would cause a problem with that, as 100% of your signal is going through the GMajor unit.

But should work flawlessly in a parallel loop!

except many of the effects cant be used in a parallel loop.

chorus, flanger, phaser, tremolo, univibe, noise gate and EQ would no longer be able to be used.

That's not entirely true. Effects like chorus, phaser and flanger often use a 50/50% mix (50 % direct, 50% processed).
Which means that you can use these effects without problems in a parallel setup with their Mix parameter set to 100%.

True, but a lot of the times a parallel loop will cause a strange phasey sound with modulation effects due to the slight time difference between the dry signal and effected signal (A/D D/A) conversion. Some are worse than others. I personally have never had good luck with modulation effects in a parallel loop--always sounds "off" and weak.
Of course, if that's the sound your going for, all is good.

That only happens when the effect is still passing direct signal. The phase cancellation occurs when the dry path and the direct signal in the processed path are mixed. This can be prevented by ensuring that the processed path in a parallel setup is set to 100% wet. This can be accomplished with the G-Major and most other 19" processors. Set Mix to 100% and use Level to dial the desired amount of effect. There are no side effects at all, the effects should sound the same (or better) as when in a series loop.

 

[moltenmetalburn]

There shouldnt be any preset lag issues if you are running it through a parallel FX Loop.. but I can see where a series loop would cause a problem with that, as 100% of your signal is going through the GMajor unit.

But should work flawlessly in a parallel loop!

except many of the effects cant be used in a parallel loop.

chorus, flanger, phaser, tremolo, univibe, noise gate and EQ would no longer be able to be used.

That's not entirely true. Effects like chorus, phaser and flanger often use a 50/50% mix (50 % direct, 50% processed).
Which means that you can use these effects without problems in a parallel setup with their Mix parameter set to 100%.

True, but a lot of the times a parallel loop will cause a strange phasey sound with modulation effects due to the slight time difference between the dry signal and effected signal (A/D D/A) conversion. Some are worse than others. I personally have never had good luck with modulation effects in a parallel loop--always sounds "off" and weak.
Of course, if that's the sound your going for, all is good.

this is exactly the issue I have had every time. Phasing and a thin weak sound.

I also have never had good results using parallel loops this way.

using the dry kill function, or 100% wet 0% percent dry is dependent on the processor. if you do that EQ , noise gate , and level based effects become useless in a parallel loop unless setting the mix of the parallel loop to 100% which is effectively making it series. though some effects loops 100% wet inst truly 100% causing the same issues.

as for the chours flanger and phaser, you are correct, they can be used that way (with mix set to 100%) but they never sound right always "off" as the other poster stated. I shouldn't have lumped those effects in with the others that totally lose functionality.

but to each their own if that is the sound you want. I avoid phase/latency issues at all cost.

I also see no point to buying an all in one processor and then limiting the amount of use it has by the setup. why even buy the all in one, just buy a modulation processor if that's all you plan to use it for.



when I wrote that I was referencing what I had read in the manual for the g major 2, i guess in order to be more clear I should have written " will no longer be able to be used to their full capacity with the g major 2" for those particular effects.

from the manual:

A few comments regarding the Kill Dry function
and a parallel setup:
First of all:
• In such a setup, we recommend using the
Parallel routing.
• When the Kill Dry parameter is set to “On”,
no clean signal is passed to the outputs, and
the “Mix” parameter changes to “Wet” in all
algorithms.
You should also be aware that the way the
signal is routed in a parallel loop is similar to
the signal path within a mixer. The signal is
split: One part runs unprocessed to the output
and never passes the actual effects processor.
The other part of the signal is processed within
G-Major 2 and summed with the unprocessed
signal.
Therefore, you will not get to enjoy the benefits
from all effects when running a parallel setup.
This goes especially for level-based effects
such as Tremolo and Panner, but the
Chorus/Flanger/ Phaser/Vibrato and Pitch
blocks will be affected as well.

 

[Yek]

using the dry kill function, or 100% wet 0% percent dry is dependent on the processor. if you do that EQ , noise gate , and level based effects become useless in a parallel loop unless setting the mix of the parallel loop to 100% which is effectively making it series. though some effects loops 100% wet inst truly 100% causing the same issues.

I used to put my effects processors in parallel loops. Even the Intelliverb which has an excellent internal analog path.
I bought a Suhr MiniMix 2 because that mixer can disable the dry path, leaving just the processed path. In other words: even with a parallel setup it's possible to obtain 100% wet effects such as tremolo. But that requires a mixer like the MiniMix.

When I switched to the G-Major 2 I found that the convertors were so good I didn't need to run it in parallel anymore. So I placed the unit in series which made things a lot easier. ;-) More so because the G-Major has other issues when used in parallel. Example: the Serial2 routing must be used for modulated delays. That still works with the GM/2 in parallel, as long as the reverb isn't switch on, otherwise the while sound will drown.

 

[moltenmetalburn]

how does the mini mix work?

 

[Yek]

how does the mini mix work?

small box with In/Out and a Send/Return loop.
Effectively it adds a parallel loop to a series loop.
It supports instrument and line level, and high and low impedance.
The device in the loop must be mono. You can connect two of those.
There's a relay switch connection. With it you can set it to Dry+Loop, FullMute, MuteDry or MuteFx.
Runs on 9v AC and DC I believe.
It's really one of a kind.

 

[glassjaw7]

is there any be all end all for fx, hell im still looking.

Eventide Eclipse. Closest I've found anyway

 

[EXPcustom]

So which one is a better overall unit:

The Gmajor or Gmajor2?

 

[glpg80]

So which one is a better overall unit:

The Gmajor or Gmajor2?

gm-2

gm has the 1.5 - 1 second patch latency no matter wtf you have on. the more stuff you have, the worse it is.

effects quality wise i loved it, but if you are doing anything with switching patches or for live use, id say either look somewhere else, or consider a firmware upgraded gm-2.