cujo
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You don't even know the gsp is there. That's a great thing!!! I don't use models. No substitute for hi gain hand grenade tube amps!!!!
Gainzilla
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One VERY cool feature about the GSP is that lets say you have a single channel amp like a JCM 800 with an FX loop. You can set the amp to stun and hit all of your gainy stuff through there and if you want clean, you can set the GSP to cut off the front of the amp input and run Clean modelling through the FX return just using your head as a power amp effectively turning your single channel into a channel switcher. How ridiculously cool is that? Now thats what I call giving a player cool useful options..cujo":3h2zs0tu said:
tweed
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Gainzilla":21o05o29 said:
Wow! That would kick ass and solve a lot of problems.
cujo
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Very affordable. I think there is one for sale on here pedal n rack.
RedRider
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Not 100% positive but I am pretty sure you can program a G-System to do that also. If you are even somewhat computer savvy, the G-system is MUCH simpler if you use their new computer interface software to set it all up (G-system Editor by Vyzor)...its just like the Axe Edit, Line 6 software, or the boss software....just gives you a big GUI to setup all your stuff with....made the G-system a LOT less complicated. THe one thing I ever hated about the thing was trying to manipulate it via the floor controls....once they had this software it was a piece of cake. Here is a quick screenshot from teh software to give you a bit of an idea....
THe only thing I dont like about the digitech stuff was the same I didnt like about the G-ssytem...the whole interface system sucked....but I kind of want to try out that one that uses an Ipad to set it all up...it seems pretty cool too....
THe only thing I dont like about the digitech stuff was the same I didnt like about the G-ssytem...the whole interface system sucked....but I kind of want to try out that one that uses an Ipad to set it all up...it seems pretty cool too....
'63-Strat
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Gainzilla":pbx12gv0 said:
Kage, love you big guy but have you ever owned the G system? Because I've seen you post stuff like this a lot recently but don't remember you ever actually having one?
It's no harder to use than any multifx IMO, and works great for me and many others including some of my favorite players (Ian Thornley for one). YMMV of course but... if I was repeatedly posting about a piece of gear I'd never owned let alone used with my own rig live I'd say my opinion on that piece of gear was pretty far from informed.
FWIW I do agree the univibe should have been put in the first section, but the univibe was also part of a free software update years after the unit was out and there was no way for them to get it to work in the compression or filter blocks. I use it for what TC is good at, delay, reverb and chorus. It's also got a great doubler and intelligent pitch shifting but beyond some octave stuff I don't honestly use much of that. There are other ways to get similar results for sure. But I really like how easy my stage setup is, no power chords or any nonsense like that I just plug in my rack and run one cat5 cable to the board and can switch pedals/channels and boosts on my amp/FX in the g system with one stomp. YMMV of course.
some dude
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I picked up a G-System around a month ago. I use it with a Mesa Mark V. I've had no issues with it and I found the setup fairly straight forward.
ACShreds
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Honestly the programming wasn't that hard at all for me with the G system. It was the drastic tone change that forced me to sell it.
DeezDemos
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ACShreds":2gri8mc6 said:
That's exactly why I sold my G-Force.......Just not for me I guess.
Gainzilla
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Hey Colin , No I havent owned the G System but I did an ehxausting am ount of research as well as logging an ass load of time demoing the unit. My results were that for my uses, there were way too many flaws in the unit and that I could do alot better for alot less.'63-Strat":2n7gpqv2 said:
As mentioned before, The converters are a pain in the ass to deal with. The unit is picky about what stompboxes you put in its loops; not all OD's and/or fuzzes play nicely and it isnt just them, several of my univibes didnt work out so well. The pedalboard layout isnt great either with not alot of options.
I was left very disappointed because I expected better from a company with such stellar products. The concept is pure genius but they fall way short on execution, especially for my uses( which BTW is not complicated in the least)
I know that you think that my findings might be suspect as I didnt own the unit but please know that I really did research the hell out of it. I read the manual cover to cover, read Lairds paper and consulted with TC support on numerous occaisions coupled with repeated extended demos and I just couldnt get around the issues that plagued me through out the process. I assure you bro, this was not a snap judgement and Id like to think that I gave it more than a fair shot because I really wanted to make it work for me.
cujo
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Were is lairds paper at ?
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Shiny_Surface
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Gainzilla":3q1twyyd said:
Hey Kage, I've been looking into that type of setup myself.
Apparently one or both of the In Flames guitarists did this with their Peavey 5150's at one time but they used Line 6 Pod Pro's into the loops for the clean sound processing through the power amp return.
AC
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no, In flames used a switcher for that.
Gainzilla
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cujo":wc39v9xo said:
Here ya go Bro... Sent you a PM as well
http://www.guitaraffair.com/pdfs/g-syst ... -guide.pdf
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Shiny_Surface
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AC":31okv3ch said:
That doesn't contradict what I said...
'63-Strat
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Gainzilla":c4ydym3z said:
Fair enough, though I still think it's really not that hard to use (the software editor makes it even easier though I usually just make changes on the board itself), and you can customize what nearly every button on the floor board does, don't know if you knew that? For example I assigned the boost button on mine to control the boost button on my amp instead the G system's own inherent boost. That way whatever patch I'm on I can switch the amp's boost on/off etc on the fly. You can do the same with almost any of the other buttons too, you don't have to use the standard layout of buttons. You also need to use balanced cables for the insert loop (amp's preamp) to get the best out of the unit signal/noise wise, that's detailed in Laird's paper too. I can't comment on how it takes fuzz or univibe pedals in the loops as I haven't used them for that, but I have used a bunch of different ODs without an issue yet. You can change the headroom of the loops to suit the pedals too, some of this stuff is more straight forward to understand/adjust the first time using the software editor. I still think you'd have to spend some time at home with the unit and your own setup to get it deliver the goods but no doubt there are other options out there too.
Gainzilla
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'63-Strat":wx5eijr6 said:
I did not know about the full extent of the editors abilities and admittedly, it looks alot easier. Ya do have to jump through some hoops for the pedals and it seems to be a pain in the ass to have to custom tailor headroom etc for the pedals that you want to put in. I was getting some weird sounds with various stomps and in the end , I just gave up. Like I said, if I have to jump through hoops to make something work; Pouring through the manual, reading someone elses paper while perusing forums and customer service and the like, The thing better be the second coming and for me it wasnt and certainly not at the asking price.
I might very well be able to make it work for me but the truth is that I have found solutions that do more for less with alot more ease and you hit it on the end with YMMV, we all have different wants and needs when it comes to this stuff.
thiswaythatway
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some dude":2uoendk2 said:
Are you using the 4-cable method or going right into the input, or just in your loop?
I've been playing with the G-System for a few days and yes, it's flawed, but I'm trying to get it to work right and I think I'm close. I can live with modulation after the preamp because I have some pedals I'd just use in the loops. And I hate to say it but pitch shifting to me also sounds better before the preamp as well.
Right now it's the tone change I'm trying to fix. At first the G-System KILLED my amps tone, but bringing the input level helped a bit but it's not perfect. I hear that an MI-Audio Boost N Stuff works great as a buffer for it, but I hate the ideal of buying another pedal to get this thing to sound right.
ttosh
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I think it is one of the coolest overall units available. There things I wish you could do with it, like have a loop you could place anywhere in the chain. I do not like all their post FX ,but like any system you can get around some of this stuff with additional equipment, it just depends on how far you want to take it. You can get a used G System for around $800. To use as a MIDI pedal alone it is worth that compared to most other MIDI pedals, it is rugged and does most of what one would need. Add in the insert loop, 4 loops to throw effects in pre amp section, you can add a good audio looper in front of this if you need more. I could go on, but bottom line throw in the stellar delays and verbs with the midi pedal and that alone is worth the price of a used one. Like anything you may or may not like it, but it will work well if you take the time to work with it. I love the concept and wish they would do more with it than just mess with colors and the input buffer. The black from pro guitar shop only is awesome looking, but is it worth the extra $800 than a used silver or red one? Probably not.
Bishop5150
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Seems like so much depends on the amp you use with it. Some play nice some not so nice. When I first got mine I was using it with a 5150 and it integrated into my rig perfectly in the 4 cable method. No tone suck issues whatsoever and I could switch channels with it and everything. Then I went to a 5150 III and I was virtually able to keep my exact same settings but I had to buy an RJM mini amp gizmo to help with my channel switching. For me it's just a great setup. Everything on the floor. I don't use an Ebtech Hum Eliminator or a buffer. I go from a Line 6 G50 wireless into a Bad Horsie wah into the input of the G-System. It's not a perfect unit but what is? It would be nice to have certain effects upfront but if want it that way I'll stick a stompversion in one of the loops. The integration with the Nova Drive pedal is really sweet. It becomes an internal effect and all it's parameters can be controlled via the G-System. Using the expression pedal to bring in OD or distortion is a really cool feature.