G1265s, are they scooped sounding like the G12T75?

[blackba]

I think it's clear that there are ALOT of different opinions about the same speakers.

Not surprising really, not only are our ears and preferences different, but the cab construction and amps we are using are different too.

 

[Hollywood]

I think it's clear that there are ALOT of different opinions about the same speakers.

Not surprising really, not only are our ears and preferences different, but the cab construction and amps we are using are different too.

That's very true.

 

[thegame]

Hehehe it's cool, I'm open to hear anything! I guess it's hard to judge midrange.

I really like the mids of 25 watt greenbacks. The 30 watters sound nice too, but I think I'm looking for more of a 25 watt style midrange.

-Joe

If you want the GB mid character in a higher wattage format, the 65s are the only way to go IMO. You will never get that particular mid spectrum from any G12H30 type speaker.

The 65s are not as scooped as a 75. In fact the more you turn them up the more they start honkin ! They are also quite restrained on the top end, but the highs they do have are very airy and delicate sounding. Really nice harmonics that I have not heard from other speakers.

I got very different results when I swapped'em FROM a front loaded VHT cab TO my rear loaded Bogner cab. I think I like them more in the Bogner, which surprised me. That may explain the widely varying opinions on them; very cabinet sensitive.

The G12K100 probably has the most low end from any Celestion, period.

 

[AmpliFIRE]

I've been through MANY cabs over the years, and nothing sounds as good as my 65 loaded JCM 800 4x12. They're balanced, clear and articulate with a good amount of low end. I would agree with Dave's comparison to the 75's. Add some mids and take away the harsh high end and you have a G12 65

 

[Hollywood]

But if a guy already had two re-issue greenbacks in the 4-12 cab and was gonna run two different speakers with them, then would the 65's be a good choice? For that fact I wonder how 2 v-30's and 2 greenbacks would sound?

 

[thiswaythatway]

I've been through MANY cabs over the years, and nothing sounds as good as my 65 loaded JCM 800 4x12. They're balanced, clear and articulate with a good amount of low end. I would agree with Dave's comparison to the 75's. Add some mids and take away the harsh high end and you have a G12 65

I actually liked one of your other cabs better. The Marshall one that i think had Greenbacks in it.

 

[thegame]

But if a guy already had two re-issue greenbacks in the 4-12 cab and was gonna run two different speakers with them, then would the 65's be a good choice? For that fact I wonder how 2 v-30's and 2 greenbacks would sound?

Both those formats will be excellent. The GB/65 combo will blend better and sound more congruent because they share the same sensitivity and more frequencies than a V30.

 

[AmpliFIRE]

I've been through MANY cabs over the years, and nothing sounds as good as my 65 loaded JCM 800 4x12. They're balanced, clear and articulate with a good amount of low end. I would agree with Dave's comparison to the 75's. Add some mids and take away the harsh high end and you have a G12 65

I actually liked one of your other cabs better. The Marshall one that i think had Greenbacks in it.

The white one or the checkerboard one? Both of those cabs sounded great to me for a while but i fell out of love with them. The 65 loaded cab just sounded bigger in comparison...

 

[Bob Savage]

Here's the Alchemist through G12-65's: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h8wFOF-hbs&fmt=22

 

[mightyjoeyoungxnj]

Thanks a lot dudes. Still mulling it over...

-Joe

 

[AmpliFIRE]

Thanks a lot dudes. Still mulling it over...

-Joe

Dude...wtf are you waiting for? Drag your ass over to my place and check out the speakers in person

 

[Hollywood]

Talked to several guys today that do their business selling speakers. Jim at Southbay amps/scumbacks thinks the 65's would sound the best altogether, in otherwords 4 in a 4-12 cab. So do 8 out of 10 of the other guys I asked. I just listened to bob's vid, they sound nice. I am thinking for my re-issue greenbacks cab running two h-75 scumbacks with them, They are the equivalent to h-30's from the 60's. That is where I am on it right now. Thanks for all the help. I will be getting 4 of the gt-65's 1st chance I get for a marshall cab I have in storage. The gt-65 heritage speakers, are they the ones you guys are talking about or are you guys out there trying to score the originals from the 80's?? Just curious about that little detail. What is fair money on the originals?

 

[Greazygeo]

Talked to several guys today that do their business selling speakers. Jim at Southbay amps/scumbacks thinks the 65's would sound the best altogether, in otherwords 4 in a 4-12 cab. So do 8 out of 10 of the other guys I asked. I just listened to bob's vid, they sound nice. I am thinking for my re-issue greenbacks cab running two h-75 scumbacks with them, They are the equivalent to h-30's from the 60's. That is where I am on it right now. Thanks for all the help. I will be getting 4 of the gt-65's 1st chance I get for a marshall cab I have in storage. The gt-65 heritage speakers, are they the ones you guys are talking about or are you guys out there trying to score the originals from the 80's?? Just curious about that little detail. What is fair money on the originals?

I dont think it matters whether you get the Heritage or older 65's. I had both and they didnt sound any different other than the H65's were new and still abit stiff. I got them for Thegame and he let me load them up and try them before I sent them to him.

The H30's I've tried (late 60's pre rola, '73 Rola and Anniversary) I didnt like. They are very scooped in the upper midrange. They just disappear.....

 

[thiswaythatway]

Talked to several guys today that do their business selling speakers. Jim at Southbay amps/scumbacks thinks the 65's would sound the best altogether, in otherwords 4 in a 4-12 cab. So do 8 out of 10 of the other guys I asked. I just listened to bob's vid, they sound nice. I am thinking for my re-issue greenbacks cab running two h-75 scumbacks with them, They are the equivalent to h-30's from the 60's. That is where I am on it right now. Thanks for all the help. I will be getting 4 of the gt-65's 1st chance I get for a marshall cab I have in storage. The gt-65 heritage speakers, are they the ones you guys are talking about or are you guys out there trying to score the originals from the 80's?? Just curious about that little detail. What is fair money on the originals?

I've made this comment several times on this board and it goes largely ignored. I'll do it one more time. A few of us got together and did a blind test with a cab loaded with the Celestino Heritage G12-65s ($170-220/each) and the WGS ET65s ($65/each). The two cabs were identical in every other way.

All three of us agreed that one particular cab sounded more pleasing than the other. It was the WGS cab. So yeah, you can save yourself a TON of dough and get better sounding speakers by going with the WGS ET65s.

I don't think anyone is ignoring you, but don't expect everyone to give up on Heritage 65's because of you or your friends opinions. Plenty of people do realize that Warehouse does make good sounding speakers so I'm not suprised. I thought their V30's were nice.

 

[thegame]

The gt-65 heritage speakers, are they the ones you guys are talking about or are you guys out there trying to score the originals from the 80's?? Just curious about that little detail. What is fair money on the originals?

Be careful buying originals. In four short years Celestion made over 20 subtle variations on the G1265 recipe. The G1265 Heritage takes the best aspects of them all and blends that together for the official reissue. An old one may sound exactly like a Heritage, or quite different.

Also when buying old ones, AVOID the ones with the 444 bass cone. The Heritage uses 1777 lead cones and since its already on the dark/smooth side, the 444 version is far too dark.

 

[degenaro]

All the youtube stuff I posted at viewtopic.php?f=3&t=41237
is a THD 212 loaded with 2 12-65s.

 

[thegame]

All three of us agreed that one particular cab sounded more pleasing than the other. It was the WGS cab. So yeah, you can save yourself a TON of dough and get better sounding speakers by going with the WGS ET65s.

I'm not going to doubt your experience but thats precisely something I'd have to hear in person.

 

[mightyjoeyoungxnj]

Thanks a lot dudes. Still mulling it over...

-Joe

Dude...wtf are you waiting for? Drag your ass over to my place and check out the speakers in person

Very well might do that dude!

-Joe

 

[Hollywood]

Thanks guys. I decided to get a couple of h-75 65 watter scumbacks/ h-30 60's style speakers, to try with the 2 re-issue greenbacks in this one cab. I think the 65's will be the kinda of speakers I will need to Go slow, take my time, look into trying to get them up close and personal before I lay out the funds. This seems to feel like the right way to go about the 65's. I know what the scumbacks do and If I do this cab this way, I will end up with a cab 1/2 one thing I know I like, and the other 1/2 another thing I know I like. Them I can compare it to the other cabs that are , all celestion and or all scumbacks. If they don't co-exist together well, I will open the cab and two come out and the other two get a couple of new room mates. Thanks for your help. Now I got to think about a new cab for the uberschall.