G12k-100 vs red back

[braintheory]

Does anyone here have experience with how these speakers compare? Any help would be much appreciated. Another high power speaker I'm also curious about are the Fane's (like the medusa model), so if you guys also now about those too, feel free to discuss those too

 

[Gsxrbusa]

I currently have a quad of Redbacks and Iv'e owned the G12K-100. I really didn't care for the 100, they were too nasally for my taste. These Redbacks are a great speaker. Very even across the board as far as frequencies are concerned. Great bottom end, smooth top. No mid honk like a V30, just really even. They break up a lot sooner than you would think a 150w speaker would. I think Celestion hit it out of the park with this one. The 75w Creamback is still my favorite speaker but this RB is a close 2nd.

I'll make an in the room vid this weekend of the Redbacks.

 

[dirtyfunkg]

What amp are you using it with?

I've never used a Redback, but the K85/K100 is one of my favorite speakers, with the right amp. It's particularly useful for high gain.

I've loved it with a Peavey VTM, Fryette Sig:X, Fryette Deliverance, and my Diezel D-Moll. I have them loaded into a Genz Benz G-Flex cab, and they're in an X pattern with P50E's in my Fatbottom 412.

I've very much disliked it with a Marshall 2203, Marshall 1987XL, and a Mesa Roadster. It was pretty ice-picky with all of those amps, particularly the Marshalls.

 

[RedB4Black]

I currently have a quad of Redbacks and Iv'e owned the G12K-100. I really didn't care for the 100, they were too nasally for my taste. These Redbacks are a great speaker. Very even across the board as far as frequencies are concerned. Great bottom end, smooth top. No mid honk like a V30, just really even. They break up a lot sooner than you would think a 150w speaker would. I think Celestion hit it out of the park with this one. The 75w Creamback is still my favorite speaker but this RB is a close 2nd.

I'll make an in the room vid this weekend of the Redbacks.

I was very interested in the Redbacks, but a lot of the clips I listened to just didn't sound as good as the Creamback H75s. I was going to blend the Redbacks with Alnico Creams, but the H75s blended with the Alnico Creams do exactly what I want.

 

[Gsxrbusa]

I currently have a quad of Redbacks and Iv'e owned the G12K-100. I really didn't care for the 100, they were too nasally for my taste. These Redbacks are a great speaker. Very even across the board as far as frequencies are concerned. Great bottom end, smooth top. No mid honk like a V30, just really even. They break up a lot sooner than you would think a 150w speaker would. I think Celestion hit it out of the park with this one. The 75w Creamback is still my favorite speaker but this RB is a close 2nd.

I'll make an in the room vid this weekend of the Redbacks.

I was very interested in the Redbacks, but a lot of the clips I listened to just didn't sound as good as the Creamback H75s. I was going to blend the Redbacks with Alnico Creams, but the H75s blended with the Alnico Creams do exactly what I want.

Nice. I have yet to try an Alnico cream. I may try to do a H75 vs RB clip for the heck of it.

 

[Junk Yard Dog]

I'm interested in the Redbacks. I've got K100's, and I think they're not jelling with my Splawn; it's a bit piercing. I would rather add some treble than have to dial my tone back on my guitar and amps to accommodation a speaker.

I've read got my K100 mixed with a Creamback 65.

 

[steve_k]

I just put a quad in a front loaded Diezel cab and like them a lot. Go to Celestion's site and look at the frequency response curves compared to about every other speaker. That mid-hump is gone. Pretty soft of the top end and not woofy at all.

 

[Junk Yard Dog]

I like the redback in this video. SKIP TO 16:24 for comparisons to the K100, M65 and H75 Creams, and V30

 

[braintheory]

I like the redback in this video. SKIP TO 16:24 for comparisons to the K100, M65 and H75 Creams, and V30

I actually liked the red back least in that video. It seemed too dark and smooth compared to the others, but it did seem to maybe have a beefier bottom end than the others, which I liked. I liked the H75 and V30 best in that clip. I saw another by that channel where he had an alnico cream and I actually liked that the best in that video. Maybe the alnico cream may be for me?

 

[braintheory]

Which celestion do you guys think has the tightest bottom end? I have an ubercab with a cross of v30's and t75's and it seems to have a very tight bottom end, which I'm guessing is more due to the t75's and I have a Kerry wright with 65's, which I don't like as much. They seem to be darker and smoother than my ubercab and not as tight, but overall the Kerry wright sounds bigger, fills the room more and is more balanced, while the ubercab can sound a bit harsh and fuzzy in comparison, but I still prefer it because of its extra grit, aggression and tightness. So I'm thinking of putting in the Kerry wright a cross of v30's for that grit and upper mid cut and something else to give it a big and tight bottom end. What do you guys suggest? I was initially thinking either red back or k100 (hence the title), but now I'm thinking maybe alnico cream, but I'm wondering if it'll have the tightness I'm looking for?

 

[Junk Yard Dog]

I like the redback in this video. SKIP TO 16:24 for comparisons to the K100, M65 and H75 Creams, and V30

I actually liked the red back least in that video. It seemed too dark and smooth compared to the others, but it did seem to maybe have a beefier bottom end than the others, which I liked. I liked the H75 and V30 best in that clip. I saw another by that channel where he had an alnico cream and I actually liked that the best in that video. Maybe the alnico cream may be for me?

I agree, it had a bit less grit. I play a Splawn, which has plenty of brightness and grit, which has been hard to dial out with speakers like the K100 and V30, so maybe a mix of M65 Creambacks and the Redback would be a good blend.

Out of all the other speakers, I liked the H75 Creamback the best. Seemed to be the best mix of the Creamback 65, V30, and K100.

 

[MetalHeadMike]

I've got a 2x12 loaded with K100s and its sounded great with the 8-9 amps I've run through it. The K100s are thunderous and tight on the low end. Part of the former though is surely due to the cab I have em in; solid baltic birch and heavy as hell. While I like that cab a lot for its tightness and punch, I like my EVH more. Those EVH (Heritage Greenback) speakers absolutely rip for metal. Tight, chunky, punchy but with a sweetness and grit the K100s lack.

 

[Ventura]

Which celestion do you guys think has the tightest bottom end? I have an ubercab with a cross of v30's and t75's and it seems to have a very tight bottom end, which I'm guessing is more due to the t75's....

I've got a few cabs... The UberKab isn't so much "tight" as it is "capable" of handling the lower-end thump of the Uberschalls and TwinJet. If anything I'd say the UberKab offers a pretty massive bottom end, but manages to hold it together and doesn't flub out or choke. If I wanted to thin it up, I'd go for G12M Greenbacks - period. They're a great speaker for everything "rock" and even "heavy". They're thinner on the low end, which is fine especially if you're gigging with a bassist or even another guitarist, too much low end on the stage just muddies everything up. So Greenbacks get my vote for tight bottom ends.

If you need coloration in the tone, maybe one of the Creams, even though I found the 65 to be scooped sounding to my ears with my amps with my cabs. V30s, K100s, Cream75s, Greens, and yes, in the case of the UberKab and ONLY the UberKab, seems the 75s are good in that mix in that cab. YMMV. I love the UberKab with 30/75s crossed - I run my TJ, Uber, and Butterslax through it. Cab sounds incredible. Doesn't sound as good with my XTC, Shiva or JJ100...I prefer G12M/V30 with those amps.

Greenies to slim that fat bottom end. Or, seeing as we're mentioning "Fat Bottom", the Fryette "Deliverance" is my fave Fryette cab (they can be found super cheap too!!) with P50E speakers. The P50E are great once their broken in - and yes, this requires time and SPLs - unless you want a break-in trick that I use... But whatever, GREAT cabs, the D412 disperses the sound way more than the FatBottom 412, and the speakers are easily swapped out being front mounted. I have two Deliverance cabs - one with stock (and broken in P50Es) and the other with newly installed V30/G12M Greenbacks. It's my newest fave cab for almost all my amps...even running the low-end-heavy Butterslax through it at times and love the results for everything except true pure nuclear powered sonic mayhem. I leave this style of music to my Bogner OS412 loaded with V30s and my UberKab.

 

[Gsxrbusa]

I currently have a quad of Redbacks and Iv'e owned the G12K-100. I really didn't care for the 100, they were too nasally for my taste. These Redbacks are a great speaker. Very even across the board as far as frequencies are concerned. Great bottom end, smooth top. No mid honk like a V30, just really even. They break up a lot sooner than you would think a 150w speaker would. I think Celestion hit it out of the park with this one. The 75w Creamback is still my favorite speaker but this RB is a close 2nd.

I'll make an in the room vid this weekend of the Redbacks.

I was very interested in the Redbacks, but a lot of the clips I listened to just didn't sound as good as the Creamback H75s. I was going to blend the Redbacks with Alnico Creams, but the H75s blended with the Alnico Creams do exactly what I want.

Nice. I have yet to try an Alnico cream. I may try to do a H75 vs RB clip for the heck of it.

I guess I already did this. Fuck I gotta stop drinking so much.

 

[MetalHeadMike]

[/quote]I guess I already did this. Fuck I gotta stop drinking so much. [/quote]

I bet your past the put point of cutting back, you probably just need to ramp it up a bit and that should level ya right out

 

[Gsxrbusa]

I guess I already did this. Fuck I gotta stop drinking so much. [/quote]

I bet your past the put point of cutting back, you probably just need to ramp it up a bit and that should level ya right out [/quote]


I like the way you think my friend!

 

[braintheory]

Anyone else?

 

[richedie]

I currently have a quad of Redbacks and Iv'e owned the G12K-100. I really didn't care for the 100, they were too nasally for my taste. These Redbacks are a great speaker. Very even across the board as far as frequencies are concerned. Great bottom end, smooth top. No mid honk like a V30, just really even. They break up a lot sooner than you would think a 150w speaker would. I think Celestion hit it out of the park with this one. The 75w Creamback is still my favorite speaker but this RB is a close 2nd.

I'll make an in the room vid this weekend of the Redbacks.

The thing I often hear about the H75 is that they lack cut for a live band situation compared to V30s, or even the Redbacks. I know guys who used Creambacks live but had to go back to V30s to be heard. May have been the way they EQed the amp. ANY speaker will cut live if you tweak the amp correctly. Hell, a buddy of mine sounds amazing live through a 412 of all T75s.

A few friends of mine who were big Creamback fans, replaced them all with Redbacks. They claim the best speaker Celestion has made to date, Super thick compared to their other speakers. I just bought a pair myself.

 

[Junk Yard Dog]

The thing I often hear about the H75 is that they lack cut for a live band situation compared to V30s, or even the Redbacks. I know guys who used Creambacks live but had to go back to V30s to be heard. May have been the way they EQed the amp. ANY speaker will cut live if you tweak the amp correctly. Hell, a buddy of mine sounds amazing live through a 412 of all T75s.

A few friends of mine who were big Creamback fans, replaced them all with Redbacks. They claim the best speaker Celestion has made to date, Super thick compared to their other speakers. I just bought a pair myself.

I have both the H75 and Redback right now. IMO,the H75 cuts a bit better. I think like it better than the Redback. I like the RB better than K100 for sure. I said this before and some guys disagreed, but the Redback needs some breakin. I play modded Marshall amps and at bedroom volumes, it has a 'hairy' SLIGHT fizz to it. ONCE YOU OPEN THE VOLUME UP at band practice levels, that goes away.

Can't go wrong with either H75 or Redback. H75 definitely has slightly more 'in your face' cut, that could also be somewhat displeasing if you have too many highs, and the Redback reduces that a bit.

The cool thing about the Redback is it allows you to use the Presence and Highs or your Amps EQ MORE! One some of my other speaker combinations, i have to turn my Treble almost all the way down on my amps.

 

[whitzmusic]

One of my bandmates has a Redback, and from what I've heard (and listened to it myself) I think it's an extremely capable model. Not really sure about the G12K-100, though.