G12M-25 Versions?

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The~Kid said:
I mean in a sense too if your after vintage..... and you have the money......


Just get Scumbacks..... vs actual vintage......



Scumbacks are probably better too and more consistent quality wise vs anything made in the 60s and that goes with anything most manufacturers make nowadays vs crap back then.



Don't take my word for it...... :dunno:


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The regular old Chinese reissues sound great to me...
 
The~Kid said:
I mean in a sense too if your after vintage..... and you have the money......


Just get Scumbacks..... vs actual vintage......



Scumbacks are probably better too and more consistent quality wise vs anything made in the 60s and that goes with anything most manufacturers make nowadays vs crap back then.



Don't take my word for it...... :dunno:


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What I advise anyone who is starting now, and wants the vintage greenback tone, without spending a lot of money, is to get a quality 4x12 and load them with Scumbacks. I really like some of the new greenbacks too, especially the Heritage 20w, the EVH(same as the 20w), the 30w... but I like the Scumbacks even more.
The Scumbacks do sound closer to my favorite 60's Greenbacks than new greenbacks do, and are way more consistent than the new Greenbacks and the old cabs and speakers that survived the last 60 years of use and or abuse.
Now, if you come across one of the old original cabs that sounds magical, no other cabinet/speaker combo will beat it. I was lucky enough to come across(not to mention that hunting for gear was most of what I did my entire life) a few magical ones that are pretty much impossible to beat tone wise.
One of them, is still unbeatable since 2003, and it's a 20w 75hz "slant" cab. Best sounding cabinet I've ever heard.
So yes, if you have the money and time to do it, go hunt for yours. If you want to save yourself the hassle, get a god cab and load it with Scumbacks and you'll be as close as you can get to the real deal.
 
Out of all the GB variants I've played, 70'a blackbacks are my favorite next to Scumback's BM75 version. They are VERY close in sound. Super woody and midrangey. Love it. Not a fan of the regular M75's however BUT the PVC version sounds similar to the 6402. I have an early 90's BX cab loaded with the 6402's and its good mix of old school and modern sound depending on what amp you use. Only problem is you have to crank the speakers for them to sound good otherwise they are bland with no character where the Chinese or current UK versions sound good at lower volumes.

As for the rest, the EVH labeled GB's and current UK GB's are fantastic and should scratch your itch. The only thing I noticed with Chinese is that brand new they are very trebly but they soften up over time. UK's are smooth out of the box.
 
SBlue said:
What I advise anyone who is starting now, and wants the vintage greenback tone, without spending a lot of money, is to get a quality 4x12 and load them with Scumbacks. I really like some of the new greenbacks too, especially the Heritage 20w, the EVH(same as the 20w), the 30w... but I like the Scumbacks even more.
The Scumbacks do sound closer to my favorite 60's Greenbacks than new greenbacks do, and are way more consistent than the new Greenbacks and the old cabs and speakers that survived the last 60 years of use and or abuse.
Now, if you come across one of the old original cabs that sounds magical, no other cabinet/speaker combo will beat it. I was lucky enough to come across(not to mention that hunting for gear was most of what I did my entire life) a few magical ones that are pretty much impossible to beat tone wise.
One of them, is still unbeatable since 2003, and it's a 20w 75hz "slant" cab. Best sounding cabinet I've ever heard.
So yes, if you have the money and time to do it, go hunt for yours. If you want to save yourself the hassle, get a god cab and load it with Scumbacks and you'll be as close as you can get to the real deal.
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Fully agree; 200%.
And I'd say it again: speakers & related cab usually are the most single important component of a rig, meaning having the bigger impact on overall tone & feel. We often read "tone follows the neck", when talking guitar sound / assembly; tone follows the speakers & cab even more, IMHO.
 
FourT6and2 said:
The regular old Chinese reissues sound great to me...
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Didn't read through the thread sorry but I suspect @Racerxrated has chimed in with good info already.

I'm no expert, but probably fall under the obsessive enthusiast category when it comes to M and H Celestions. I will say that your comment above is more than valid - they're great speakers for a variety of applications.

Vintage greens, blackbacks, creams, Scumbacks etc. are all variations of a theme but typically at a much higher cost of entry. Start with the standard G12M and if you're happy, stop! Otherwise it can go on for years and cost thousands, or so I've heard.
 
Yeah I'll probably look for a quad of Chinese versions and if I can't find them, brand new UK ones are $130.
 
shar-vell Dan said:


[straight amp]

snagged a EVH 5150 Blackback cab with UK made Celestions. I have a 1978 original G12M 25 watt Blackback cab and they are really close.
The 5150 cab is rated for 100 watts.
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What pedal did you use to boost that MarshMan?
 
thegame said:
Unfortunately there will never be a 444 hz cone Chinese GB reissue
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Probably not. Shame, I love those bass cone M's.

They did the G12H Heritage 55Hz models, but I think this was primarily to cash in on the "Hendrix connection". I never liked them though - they sounded further from the originals than any other models they've revisited.
 
The~Kid said:
I'm pretty sure the Greenbacks are MIC still.....


Only the Heritage ones are UK.
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FourT6and2 said:
That isn't the case. New Greenbacks are made in the U.K. since 2018.
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^^^That's what I heard too. This is the one what come in my 2024 Marshall 1974X.

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UPDATE

Speakers arrived today and I installed 'em in an older REAR-loaded Bogner Uberkab. I got brand new, off-the-shelf, UK-made G12M-25. 16 ohms. Playing at low volume for now until I can bring my rig somewhere to crank it. But first impressions are that these are a million times better than the recent G12M-65 Creambacks I got. Like it's not even a question.

They sound similar to my broken-in (10 years) G12H-75 Creambacks. Just slightly less modern. The 75 Creambacks growl. These new UK Greenbacks snarl. If memory serves me right, the low end on these is tighter than my previous Chinese Greenbacks. And yes, they are slightly darker as well. But that's totally great for my tonal preferences. Even at low volume, I can tell this cab/speaker combo is going to punch you hard in the chest.

Best part about it is the speakers were only $130.
 
FourT6and2 said:
UPDATE

Speakers arrived today and I installed 'em in an older REAR-loaded Bogner Uberkab. I got brand new, off-the-shelf, UK-made G12M-25. 16 ohms. Playing at low volume for now until I can bring my rig somewhere to crank it. But first impressions are that these are a million times better than the recent G12M-65 Creambacks I got. Like it's not even a question.

They sound similar to my broken-in (10 years) G12H-75 Creambacks. Just slightly less modern. The 75 Creambacks growl. These new UK Greenbacks snarl. If memory serves me right, the low end on these is tighter than my previous Chinese Greenbacks. And yes, they are slightly darker as well. But that's totally great for my tonal preferences. Even at low volume, I can tell this cab/speaker combo is going to punch you hard in the chest.

Best part about it is the speakers were only $130.
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Are you using that cabinet with an Ubershall head?
Would be an interesting choice for that amp......much about a lot of bottom end.....Those GB's have some bottom but not tight, more of a bloom.
Interesting also your speaker comparisons, I'm guessing things differenciate a little more when your'e able to turn it up.
 
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