Shark Diver":2nvb58l8 said:
The point was there is $ to be made because obviously people are making it.
The irony is, it's not the people you think are making $.
Don't blame downloading because YOU aren't making $.
I have made money selling my albums. The fact is, it doesn't matter how good a new band's album is, nobody's going to buy it! And that's nobody!
If someone else is making $, in the same environment, then it can be done.
It is not the same environment. Comparing Lady Gaga and some grindcore band from some estate in the Midlands is just complete idiocy!
As others have stated Rock/Metal just isn't in vogue now so corporations aren't throwing $ at those bands.
Rock/Metal are not the only non mainstream genres and most certainly has never been in vogue. Rock and metal for almost 90% of fans is a lifestyle! It just seems people are now content to sell themselves short because of their overriding feelings of entitledness!
Instead of bitching and whining about illegal downloading, use the internet tools that are there for young bands.
Oh the tools are there, complete with lots of GoogleAds! But really, I cannot take another load of bloody singer/songwriters! One more tit with an acoustic guitar singing about feelings/life questions/911 or some such hoary old bollocks! Jee zus! If this is the kinda crap we're content with now, then I despair!
I have purchased (ITUNES) at least 9-10 albums in the last month from videos posted here introducing me to new bands, or from something I saw on YouTube. I hadn't purchased anything new in quite a while until recently. Finally heard some stuff I like.
Good for you. Personally I buy 9-10 albums a month. But that's because I buy the stuff I like. Have never, will never download! There's no great reward to being honest, I just want to support the scene I grew up in and believe in.
Like Nirvana killed hair bands, Rap killed Grunge/Metal. It is simply what happens. You can be upset all you want that Metal isn't the king, and people who don't listen to it are stupid, talentless hacks, and blame every download and record company you want - might as well go scream at the wind.
This isn't the same thing. Changeovers in mainstream rock and metal has always happened, nobody's denying it. But the fact is every time, those bands sold their recorded work be it CD, cassette, vinyl. It's what enabled them to exist. It's what enabled them to appear in magazines. It's what enabled YOU to hear about them in the first place. What if I told you that simply due to downloading, there is a WORLD of music you will NEVER hear, simply as their complete lack of revenue prevents them from garnering the reach that was afforded all those artists in the 80s/90s simply through sales of their recorded music? The fact you've never heard these bands or are ever likely to hear these bands should, frankly, worry you.
I am not advocating illegal downloading - just feel it is not a major factor in why a band can't find success.( Again, obviously there are artist finding success.) Whether it changes the music paradigm that was before - well of course it does.
It is a huge factor! It is a majorly huge factor. And yes, it changes the paradigm. All these throws of "Get a new model, you dinosaur"... You really think the music industry and label bosses haven't already thought this through and gotten a new model? It just so happens the new boss is FAR worse than the old! We have played right into their hands, illegal downloading is the best thing that could have happened for them! It's the 40s/50s all over again where you're only a "star" if they "make you a star!" That means only stuff rubber stamped and sanction by some tit in a suit! Any subgenres or non-mainstream genres which, as I've said, they don't know how to market or just straight up don't understand, well they're taken care of. Gone. No more. Extinct.
You are honestly trying to tell me that this is a good thing? For fucking real, man!?!?
Didn't Metallica over come the snub by the industry and become one of the biggest bands ever, ushering in a new style of music?
Yes, but AGAIN you are forgetting the most basic principle. Metallica started in a time where illegal downloading didn't exist. You wanted Kill 'Em All, you bought it. End of story. And people were not entitled enough to just go and steal the record from the store. It's simple science. Artist makes record, fans buy record, Artist uses money to tour/interviews/reviews/etc, gets more fans, Artist makes another record, fans buy record, etc etc. If NOBODY buys the record because they have stolen it via an online download, that artist makes NOTHING. Nada. Zip. Studio time isn't free. Guitars don't grow on trees. Advertising your gigs in the back of magazines that fans read also costs money. Getting on the decent support acts again costs money. Everything is money when you're trying to plug and grow your band! If you have flat zero coming in from your record sales, you're dead from the get go. There is nothing else any new or young band can do! At all!
You can go out and create your own destiny, or sit around and complain about how everything is against you. Up to you.
What a great way of telling everyone they deserve their failures! I hope you don't fall off your high horse there, you could break your arse!
