Give me a quick education on the VHT Pittbull Ultra Leads...

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Possibly Trading for one with my JVM plus $600 cash tomorrow night... I've heard a number of people use them but never had one in the same room as me personally... Are they really as awesome as everyone says? Am I making the right decision? Their tone sounds incredible in Demos... But is that all studio smoke and mirrors?
 
Whelp are you going to get to play it? It is not even close to the same thing as a Marshall. They are very dry, clear, and dark in comparison. Due to the power section IMO, the UL at first doesn't seem to have a lot of gain on tap. It does have 4 gain stages on the Lead channel though, so there is plenty there. It's just so tight that it makes it seem less saturated from a feel perspective.

If you are sloppy, you will know it almost immediately, but the amp will eventually make you a better player IMO. I haven't played a JVM, only heard them live, but I would guess the JVM seems more saturated if the gain is maxed out?? Most people seem to try and compare amps to a modded or rodded version of a Marshall, Fender, Vox, etc. To me, the closest thing I could think of is that the UL is closer to a rodded version of a Hiwatt.

What I love about mine, is that it is one of the few amps I've played that can do modern metal tunes, while having great string to string clarity, yet remain open sounding, uncompressed, AND I don't have to use a noise gate even at volume. Even thought the rhythm and lead channels share an eq section, I use the graphic eq to change the tone of the lead channel, which gives me 3 completely different sounding channels. The clean channel is actually really good as well unlike alot of high gain heads. You can do country music with a UL if you needed to.

It really is the most versatile amp I've ever played, even though I'm usually playing metal with it. Also, no matter what tubes I've tried in it, I've always come back to Sovtek KT88's in the power section, and all Chinese 12ax7's sans the at7 in V6, and either a Sovtek LPS or Tung-sol in V1. I used to always run the LPS in V1, but I've been digging the Tung-sol in that spot recently.
 
See, I have always been a guy that goes very easy on my gain knob and boosts the amp. It feels tighter to me for some reason. My 6505 is currently set at 4.5 on the gain on lead ch... I just dont like that over saturated fizzy sound. I like a RAW tone similar to early Mudvayne and The Acacia Strain's THE DEAD WALK album.

Tone Wise... I hate Marshall... I have always liked a darker sound... I do like a big tight bottom end though so I am hoping that is present in the UL's

I will definitely play this first but my mind is almost 100% made up...

Thanks for the info!
 
Phil Jacques":28xy3gyp said:
See, I have always been a guy that goes very easy on my gain knob and boosts the amp. It feels tighter to me for some reason.

UL channel 2 is perfect for that application imo. In fact I preferred that over channel 3 alone.. :)
 
The guitarist from Mudvayne used an Ultra Lead, although I think he blended it with other amps (I've heard Mesa and Randall).
 
Greg use to blend with Dual Rec's on the earlier Mudvayne and Randalls on the later stuff as far as I was told.
 
The other thing I am curious about is what cabs compliment these amps the best... I was thinking about picking up an Orange 4x12 or a Mills 4x12... I already have a pair of Mesa Recto Standards...
 
Phil Jacques":104euvag said:
The other thing I am curious about is what cabs compliment these amps the best... I was thinking about picking up an Orange 4x12 or a Mills 4x12... I already have a pair of Mesa Recto Standards...
VHT FB.
 
Phil Jacques":2tb8b7pi said:
See, I have always been a guy that goes very easy on my gain knob and boosts the amp. It feels tighter to me for some reason. My 6505 is currently set at 4.5 on the gain on lead ch... I just dont like that over saturated fizzy sound. I like a RAW tone similar to early Mudvayne and The Acacia Strain's THE DEAD WALK album.

Tone Wise... I hate Marshall... I have always liked a darker sound... I do like a big tight bottom end though so I am hoping that is present in the UL's

I will definitely play this first but my mind is almost 100% made up...

Thanks for the info!

Pitbull channel 2 boosted is tits! Plus between the boost/hi-gain/lo-gain settings you've got rock/hard-rock and thrash tones covered. Channel 3 for teh brootz, or leads. If the amp you are playing has a graphic EQ you can use the EQ as either a tone-shaper, a volume boost, or both. A really great sounding and versatile amp. It absolutely THUMPS at me, even through my partial open-back 2x12 with its huge,tight bottom end.

There simply isn't an ounce of fizz available to be had in the VHT (my experience/setup at least....). According to board members it simply rules with the VHT/eminence P-50e Fat Bottom or Deliverance cabs. In my setup I love it with V30s, so I'll bet the Orange 4x12 cab will sound great too.
 
I agree with those who say try it first... the build quality is better. I had both the clx and the cl 100... they sounded pretty good. I didn't like the global master volume though.. in fact, I don't like any amp ive ever tried that had a global mv... just chokes the tone imo
good luck
 
I own a JVM and a UL and also a Fat bottom cab and a pair of Mills 412s (one with Scumbacks and the other with v30s)

To answer a few questions in this thread and IMO...

Assuming it has the EQ, the UL is a much better amp than the JVM. It can cover a lot of ground and can definitely get more modern sounding with the EQ scooped. Tons of gain and not overly dry IMO, and a lot more open sounding. It is super tight which some may not like. Tons of low end that the JVM doesn't have.

I personally think my Mills with Scumbacks Sounds the best with the UL and JVM. I'm honestly not that into the Fat Bottom with the UL. Just doesn't sound as good as the Mills, even the v30 mills. I guess I'm not tat into the P50 speakers. I may try v30s in the FB.

Here's a pic...

 
I've also been thinking about picking one up. My biggest question is how it compares to the SigX? Also, is there a big difference between the UL the CL and the CLX besides their powersections?
 
the rossness":tivss152 said:
I've also been thinking about picking one up. My biggest question is how it compares to the SigX? Also, is there a big difference between the UL the CL and the CLX besides their powersections?

The difference between the CLX and the UL is small to none. The UL is a weensie bit tighter... Not sure about the CL, as I've never played one.
 
Phil Jacques":21w3846z said:
See, I have always been a guy that goes very easy on my gain knob and boosts the amp. It feels tighter to me for some reason. My 6505 is currently set at 4.5 on the gain on lead ch... I just dont like that over saturated fizzy sound. I like a RAW tone similar to early Mudvayne and The Acacia Strain's THE DEAD WALK album.

Tone Wise... I hate Marshall... I have always liked a darker sound... I do like a big tight bottom end though so I am hoping that is present in the UL's

I will definitely play this first but my mind is almost 100% made up...

Thanks for the info!

The Ultra Lead won't sound saturated with the gain knob at max.
 
the rossness":1n6gs0ty said:
I've also been thinking about picking one up. My biggest question is how it compares to the SigX? Also, is there a big difference between the UL the CL and the CLX besides their powersections?

The CLX is actually more like the UL that I have sans the KT88's. It lacks the 12at7 in the power section which makes it not quite as tight as the 6 tube version, but my UL is still friggin tight considering the 88's. I haven't played a CL, only a ST, and the UL is quite a bit differenct than the ST. Haven't played a SigX either, only a Deliverance.
 
I lusted after a Pittbull for years. Thought they were amazing after playing one at a store for a few minutes.

A few months back a guy I know brought one over to jam. It was more like pittbutt. Sounded awful.

More than likely it was his doing as he didn't have a VHT cab and claimed he'd messed with the tubes to get that special sound (that I thought sucked ass).

I'd play before you buy. I've heard great things about the JVM.
 
Here is a good bud of mine playing his Pittbull UL.....
so damn Killer. :rock:
 
Well I got it... Traded my JVM + 200 cash... It was a little more rough looking than he had described, but it played and sounded great. Spent a little time on the phone with Fryette on the way home from picking it up last night and ordered a Fryette emblem, pittbull ultra lead emblem, new handle and new corners. Going to order some new tolex for it shortly also. Then I am going to take it apart, clean it thoroughly... pots, tube sockets etc etc. and refurb the entire thing. I am a freak about having nice clean new looking gear and won't leave this thing looking rough very long.

I played it long enough to make sure it works last night and I can already tell this thing is an animal. I can't wait to really unleash it tonight.
 
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