good god o mighty

[glpg80]

Yep... Dave's clips are always good

fuck me - he's got me gassing for a cameron again!!

but really theres no way i could possibly swing one realistically one of those amps cost more than the vehicle i drive. even the powerball i have plans to save up for will have to incorporate scott's dumpster-diving skills and ALOT of luck.

but yes - hey dave - whats the signal chain here? can you elaborate?

I really think you should stay away from the Powerball. It's really not as tonally good as a Fireball or Savage, and if you ever plan to record it, it does NOT sound great under a microphone.

On topic, that Cameron Modded Marshall sounds fuckin' nuts!

to be completely honest powerballs are touchy with the speakers you use as well as cabinet dimensions. also, the powerball is the - only - engl i would consider because of 2 things. the first being silky smoothe and very full leads - nothing that sounds thin or has traces of the "undertone distortion" under the notes you play. the second is the clean channel - best i have ever heard in a high gain amplifier. those are 2 things my 5150 lacks (badly..) and its what the powerball delivers.

im not after monster gain - but the style of music i write is simillar to iced earth - more like mystic prophecy and firewind with a touch of lynch and halen. the engl fits my bill properly. i will however make sure i have the proper speakers/cabinets before i bounce for one.

one trick to daves tone are tone bra's on 75's. ill be doing a V30/75 mix with tone bra's on the 75's to knock off some of that sharpness. it will be a good balance. my other idea is to do a full v30 setup with hellatone 60's as mentioned by someone else here on the board like 3 days ago.

to any regard i respect the cameron tone more but the engl is more affordable and i think it will do what i need perfectly

plus - chris impelliterri is using and endorsing them as well - his tone is impressive. his lead tones mix the JMP-1 as well on the record which is another unit i like. so for me - its the right direction. but again im looking at the whole tone perspective from pickup to speakers - not just the amp.

i'd still kill to a day at dave's house to jam on some of these camerons. his house is my version of heaven

 

[Capulin Overdrive]

sure the Camerons sound nice.


but it's a matter of fact, that Dave's a major part of the equation!

he can make a little smokey sound good!

 

[turmoil]

sure the Camerons sound nice.


but it's a matter of fact, that Dave's a major part of the equation!

he can make a little smokey sound good!

wow, that video is really awesome. i run my podXT into my MS-4 and i can get some pretty killer tones with the right preset but man his tone sounds killer!!

 

[jasonP]

Just to add. Dave smokes and some of the best sounding videos I've heard on the net.

 

[headlessdeadguy]

Madhouse

 

[glpg80]

dave your awsome

amazing man. i knew you were a cab collector but jesus thats a serious tone you have dialed in. plus your playing is top knotch

i've been a friend of yours on youtube for a long time and never knew it - i heard that video and knew instantly i had to post it up - seriously awsome

 

[Gainfreak]

How did I miss this thread? I even surf from work too! Thanks guys. I am humbled.

To answer a few questions...the tone is 100% Cameron on the first clip, but there is some magic to it as well. I use a Suhr ISO box to capture the output signal and bring it down to a line level. Next, I add effects and some EQ to get rid of the fizz the effects give, and out to a solid state power amp for a stereo wet signal. FWIW, all of my clips have a MONO wet signal...meaning both wet cabs have only one input/output signal. I recently got off my ass and got a few short cables and made the signal stereo for a fuller sound...there is a little trade off of phase issues every once in a while when using different speaker cabs I also went to a MosValve power amp and dont use an EQ. 99% of the time my dry signal is through my magic Marshall 4x12 loaded with Celestion blackback 30's w/ 55hz. This cab has the mojo. I have yet to hear someone say they didnt like it (gainfreak wanted it when I brought it to LI a few months back ). My wet cabinets are usually Celestion 75's with tone bra's and Celestion 65's. I recently switched out the 75's with another early 70's Marshall cab with blackback 30's w/ 55hz. I wanted to get rid of the big bottom end from the 75's and add more mid range smear. So I basically have three 4x12's running at once . I usually have a TIM pedal out front, but I almost never use it... but there are times I go for lower amp gain and use a pedal out front...just adds a different flavor. My set-up is nothing new...it is just a lot of people dont think about doing it. I got the idea from gainfreak

I missed this thread to, so don't feel bad

First off, Thanks for the props Dave you

Second....If I was a bad, bad man, I would have hired some people to jump you in the parking lot so that I could steal that cab

Last,
Did I mention that you rock?


~R~

 

[Digital Jams]

How did I miss this thread? I even surf from work too! Thanks guys. I am humbled.

To answer a few questions...the tone is 100% Cameron on the first clip, but there is some magic to it as well. I use a Suhr ISO box to capture the output signal and bring it down to a line level. Next, I add effects and some EQ to get rid of the fizz the effects give, and out to a solid state power amp for a stereo wet signal. FWIW, all of my clips have a MONO wet signal...meaning both wet cabs have only one input/output signal. I recently got off my ass and got a few short cables and made the signal stereo for a fuller sound...there is a little trade off of phase issues every once in a while when using different speaker cabs I also went to a MosValve power amp and dont use an EQ. 99% of the time my dry signal is through my magic Marshall 4x12 loaded with Celestion blackback 30's w/ 55hz. This cab has the mojo. I have yet to hear someone say they didnt like it (gainfreak wanted it when I brought it to LI a few months back ). My wet cabinets are usually Celestion 75's with tone bra's and Celestion 65's. I recently switched out the 75's with another early 70's Marshall cab with blackback 30's w/ 55hz. I wanted to get rid of the big bottom end from the 75's and add more mid range smear. So I basically have three 4x12's running at once . I usually have a TIM pedal out front, but I almost never use it... but there are times I go for lower amp gain and use a pedal out front...just adds a different flavor. My set-up is nothing new...it is just a lot of people dont think about doing it. I got the idea from gainfreak

I missed this thread to, so don't feel bad

First off, Thanks for the props Dave you

Second....If I was a bad, bad man, I would have hired some people to jump you in the parking lot so that I could steal that cab

Last,
Did I mention that you rock?


~R~

Shit, I had both his Camerons in my hands walking out the door while he was going back in for things.

Ah so close

 

[Gainfreak]

How did I miss this thread? I even surf from work too! Thanks guys. I am humbled.

To answer a few questions...the tone is 100% Cameron on the first clip, but there is some magic to it as well. I use a Suhr ISO box to capture the output signal and bring it down to a line level. Next, I add effects and some EQ to get rid of the fizz the effects give, and out to a solid state power amp for a stereo wet signal. FWIW, all of my clips have a MONO wet signal...meaning both wet cabs have only one input/output signal. I recently got off my ass and got a few short cables and made the signal stereo for a fuller sound...there is a little trade off of phase issues every once in a while when using different speaker cabs I also went to a MosValve power amp and dont use an EQ. 99% of the time my dry signal is through my magic Marshall 4x12 loaded with Celestion blackback 30's w/ 55hz. This cab has the mojo. I have yet to hear someone say they didnt like it (gainfreak wanted it when I brought it to LI a few months back ). My wet cabinets are usually Celestion 75's with tone bra's and Celestion 65's. I recently switched out the 75's with another early 70's Marshall cab with blackback 30's w/ 55hz. I wanted to get rid of the big bottom end from the 75's and add more mid range smear. So I basically have three 4x12's running at once . I usually have a TIM pedal out front, but I almost never use it... but there are times I go for lower amp gain and use a pedal out front...just adds a different flavor. My set-up is nothing new...it is just a lot of people dont think about doing it. I got the idea from gainfreak

I missed this thread to, so don't feel bad

First off, Thanks for the props Dave you

Second....If I was a bad, bad man, I would have hired some people to jump you in the parking lot so that I could steal that cab

Last,
Did I mention that you rock?


~R~

Shit, I had both his Camerons in my hands walking out the door while he was going back in for things.

Ah so close

What a bunch of newbs we are

 

[MichaelG]

Yup, Dave's hi-gain marshall clips are hands-down the best I have ever heard. I keep returning to youtube to listen to them off and on.

Awesome tone... Keep it up Dave!

 

[lolzgreg]

to be completely honest powerballs are touchy with the speakers you use as well as cabinet dimensions. also, the powerball is the - only - engl i would consider because of 2 things. the first being silky smoothe and very full leads - nothing that sounds thin or has traces of the "undertone distortion" under the notes you play. the second is the clean channel - best i have ever heard in a high gain amplifier. those are 2 things my 5150 lacks (badly..) and its what the powerball delivers.

im not after monster gain - but the style of music i write is simillar to iced earth - more like mystic prophecy and firewind with a touch of lynch and halen. the engl fits my bill properly. i will however make sure i have the proper speakers/cabinets before i bounce for one.

one trick to daves tone are tone bra's on 75's. ill be doing a V30/75 mix with tone bra's on the 75's to knock off some of that sharpness. it will be a good balance. my other idea is to do a full v30 setup with hellatone 60's as mentioned by someone else here on the board like 3 days ago.

to any regard i respect the cameron tone more but the engl is more affordable and i think it will do what i need perfectly

plus - chris impelliterri is using and endorsing them as well - his tone is impressive. his lead tones mix the JMP-1 as well on the record which is another unit i like. so for me - its the right direction. but again im looking at the whole tone perspective from pickup to speakers - not just the amp.

i'd still kill to a day at dave's house to jam on some of these camerons. his house is my version of heaven

Yes, the Powerball is at its fullest potential when being played through Celestion G12T75 speakers. They just work for the amp. A 1960B or an Uberkab would be my first choices for this amp speaker-wise. The most important thing though, is that you're happy. Explore all your options.

If you're looking for an engl, get a Blackmore or something. I'm telling you, you will regret the Powerball if you ever do recording with it.


-Greg

 

[glpg80]

to be completely honest powerballs are touchy with the speakers you use as well as cabinet dimensions. also, the powerball is the - only - engl i would consider because of 2 things. the first being silky smoothe and very full leads - nothing that sounds thin or has traces of the "undertone distortion" under the notes you play. the second is the clean channel - best i have ever heard in a high gain amplifier. those are 2 things my 5150 lacks (badly..) and its what the powerball delivers.

im not after monster gain - but the style of music i write is simillar to iced earth - more like mystic prophecy and firewind with a touch of lynch and halen. the engl fits my bill properly. i will however make sure i have the proper speakers/cabinets before i bounce for one.

one trick to daves tone are tone bra's on 75's. ill be doing a V30/75 mix with tone bra's on the 75's to knock off some of that sharpness. it will be a good balance. my other idea is to do a full v30 setup with hellatone 60's as mentioned by someone else here on the board like 3 days ago.

to any regard i respect the cameron tone more but the engl is more affordable and i think it will do what i need perfectly

plus - chris impelliterri is using and endorsing them as well - his tone is impressive. his lead tones mix the JMP-1 as well on the record which is another unit i like. so for me - its the right direction. but again im looking at the whole tone perspective from pickup to speakers - not just the amp.

i'd still kill to a day at dave's house to jam on some of these camerons. his house is my version of heaven

Yes, the Powerball is at its fullest potential when being played through Celestion G12T75 speakers. They just work for the amp. A 1960B or an Uberkab would be my first choices for this amp speaker-wise. The most important thing though, is that you're happy. Explore all your options.

If you're looking for an engl, get a Blackmore or something. I'm telling you, you will regret the Powerball if you ever do recording with it.


-Greg

thanks for the help bro, its much appreciated. when i get my ESP im going to make a trip down to georgia and have a chance at playing one for myself. its the only ENGL dealer that i know of on the east coast. i will agree with you though - powerball is one of those amplifiers that either you like or hate. nothing in between from what i can research on. but with amplifiers, i wont purchase it unless i've played it first. i would NEVER spend $2,000 blindly on a piece of music gear.

as for the recording - imkeeping the 5150. its still badass in its own remarks and theres a reason i purchased it

but yeah it will come down to just me + engl + playtime. then i will consider the weights of wehther to invest in one from scratch. as for recording goes there are really alot of microphones out there available - im sure people here on the forum would be glad to give recording help if i do eventually get one. but like i mentioned - ill have both amplifiers.

take care greg - again thanks or the info

-matt

 

[Gainfreak]

to be completely honest powerballs are touchy with the speakers you use as well as cabinet dimensions. also, the powerball is the - only - engl i would consider because of 2 things. the first being silky smoothe and very full leads - nothing that sounds thin or has traces of the "undertone distortion" under the notes you play. the second is the clean channel - best i have ever heard in a high gain amplifier. those are 2 things my 5150 lacks (badly..) and its what the powerball delivers.

im not after monster gain - but the style of music i write is simillar to iced earth - more like mystic prophecy and firewind with a touch of lynch and halen. the engl fits my bill properly. i will however make sure i have the proper speakers/cabinets before i bounce for one.

one trick to daves tone are tone bra's on 75's. ill be doing a V30/75 mix with tone bra's on the 75's to knock off some of that sharpness. it will be a good balance. my other idea is to do a full v30 setup with hellatone 60's as mentioned by someone else here on the board like 3 days ago.

to any regard i respect the cameron tone more but the engl is more affordable and i think it will do what i need perfectly

plus - chris impelliterri is using and endorsing them as well - his tone is impressive. his lead tones mix the JMP-1 as well on the record which is another unit i like. so for me - its the right direction. but again im looking at the whole tone perspective from pickup to speakers - not just the amp.

i'd still kill to a day at dave's house to jam on some of these camerons. his house is my version of heaven

Yes, the Powerball is at its fullest potential when being played through Celestion G12T75 speakers. They just work for the amp. A 1960B or an Uberkab would be my first choices for this amp speaker-wise. The most important thing though, is that you're happy. Explore all your options.

If you're looking for an engl, get a Blackmore or something. I'm telling you, you will regret the Powerball if you ever do recording with it.


-Greg

Please take this with all due respect but what you are saying is HIGHLY based on your opinion. I used to own a version 1 Powerball and I had it for 3 years. A gt1275 cab is the last cab on earth that Id use for that amp but that's just my opinion. I also have the exact opposite opinion that you do when it comes to recording with the powerball. The Powerball actually records extremely well. The Problem that I ran into with the powerball was in Live situations if you werent careful. it could easilly get eaten up/buried in a mix if you set it up wrong. I also noticed that for a 100 watt head, it wasn't nearly as loud as my other amps. Now granted, i don't play loud but my 50 watt Marshall on 4 would kill the powerball on 10...no joke..compared the 2.
On a final note to the original Poster, the Powerball can do a lynch vibe easily if you use h30 speakers. I have a one take recording that I did to backing track for a jam that we did and I purposely used a Lynch/demartini vibe for the tune. The rhythm was done by Ed degenaro for the Jam and the lead is 100% powerball through a h30 cab with delay added later. it recorded like a DREAM IMHO.

remember its one take clams and all but the Lynchyness is in there IMHO

https://www.soundclick.com/util/getplaye ... 29308&q=hi

 

[glpg80]

wow - impressive tone you had dialed in.

yeah usually powerballs have recorded well - to each their own. thats why i mentioned either you hate them or love them. i do know they HAVE to have certain speakers, otherwise it can sound like a complete mess tone wise.

i also heard that on the newer V2 model they changed the treble taper pot from linear to logorithmic so that it will mix better in live use. from what i have heard that fixed the mixing issue - but the volume thing is interesting as well. really interesting actually. thats why i love my 5150 - great headroom and really opens up at louder volumes and is almost sick loud from 5-onward. it never saturates and keeps going until you get to 8-10. but at those levels its not even recording or live use friendly.

thanks for that soundclip - i love that vibe you had going on. that fullness that i mentioned is there as well - can definately tell its a powerball. i love that silky type of tone they have. its impressive.

thanks everyone