Bad Brain
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According to what you think about the Bible and what it says tho, right?This here quote makes it 100% certain.
What I think is irrelevant.
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VonBonfire
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So you are right, and the tens of thousands of prophets, saints, and martyrs are not only wrong but liars and lived and died for nothing? Seems like a pretty damning judgment. Tell me how your current belief system will provide you greater benefit than theirs when you have died.
Dan Gleesak
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my beliefs aren't contingent upon potential benefits.
Dan Gleesak
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Well, let me know how that works out for you.
I'm doing ok so far
Ben Waylin
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Dan Gleesak
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I heard Mormons get their own planet when they die, where do I sign up?
Bad Brain
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Honestly it's like the moon landing debate. There is evidence that some people find compelling, others don't. It's ultimately a personal matter whether one believes or not. But I don't agree with the idea of "Personal truth, true for me, etc." Either these things are true or not, whether we find out in this world or the next...
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VonBonfire
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A valid response and well put but i was asking that when you are dead do you think you will be better off than the prophets, saints, and martyrs?
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VonBonfire
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You can make a call and some elders will be sent out to visit you at your home. Then they will do so regularly until you run them off.
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VonBonfire
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Experience of the Lord's gifts engenders hope; he who is without experience remains in doubt-St. John Climacus
Dan Gleesak
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I don’t think there is an afterlife so I guess we’d be even?
I mean they have the benefit of being remembered as martyrs and I’ll just be that guy from the Internet forum, but I don’t think there is anything after death
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VonBonfire
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So you don't believe in evil or you don't believe in justice or both?
DrewJD82
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I went to church this Sunday with my boss. First time I’ve been in maybe 32-ish years when it wasn’t for a funeral. I’ll most likely go back a couple times a month. There’s some great insight within the Bible and while no single religion will ever be for me, I was really stoked to hear the pastor spending a fair amount of time reminding the congregants that “judgment is His job, not ours” and to be mindful of how they represent the church and Christianity to the rest of the world.
No hogwash about how the world is out to take down Christianity, no “They’re trying to kill God”, none of that. It started with a bit about him finding out that restaurant staff across the country dread Sundays because church goers notoriously do not tip and are ready to fill up on things to repent a week later, so shitting all over waitstaff is a good starter. After working in the restaurant business for 20+ years in 5 different states and 3 different US regions, I can only agree. Sundays sucked.
I’m probably 40% Christian-based, 40% Buddhist and 10% always learning with my beliefs. I don’t believe in hell or heaven, seems pretty silly to me that God would put all that love and care into his creations, while also being all-knowing, in which case he would know that some of his creations were destined for Hell and that doesn’t sound like a loving God to me. Just doesn’t compute. But I’m certainly glad we’ve been given free-will, which keeps me from living in hell as I’m alive in this body, by the choices I make.
But I also don’t believe that God is a singular being, definitely no being in a white robe with a big chair in the clouds. God/Consciousness/Universe are interchangeable for me. They’re all infinite and omnipresent and all they do is create.
No hogwash about how the world is out to take down Christianity, no “They’re trying to kill God”, none of that. It started with a bit about him finding out that restaurant staff across the country dread Sundays because church goers notoriously do not tip and are ready to fill up on things to repent a week later, so shitting all over waitstaff is a good starter. After working in the restaurant business for 20+ years in 5 different states and 3 different US regions, I can only agree. Sundays sucked.
I’m probably 40% Christian-based, 40% Buddhist and 10% always learning with my beliefs. I don’t believe in hell or heaven, seems pretty silly to me that God would put all that love and care into his creations, while also being all-knowing, in which case he would know that some of his creations were destined for Hell and that doesn’t sound like a loving God to me. Just doesn’t compute. But I’m certainly glad we’ve been given free-will, which keeps me from living in hell as I’m alive in this body, by the choices I make.
But I also don’t believe that God is a singular being, definitely no being in a white robe with a big chair in the clouds. God/Consciousness/Universe are interchangeable for me. They’re all infinite and omnipresent and all they do is create.
Dan Gleesak
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Eh I dunno if God and the moon landing are quite comparable, but something like creationism vs the Big Bang is a much more level playing field. To me they both suffer the same fallacy of “something from nothing”
I think the new direction of the Big Bang that it’s possible that our universe stemmed from a different universe is much more plausible, however it still doesn’t explain how the first universe started.
Dan Gleesak
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I don’t believe that evil is an entity, no.
Bad Brain
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Fair enough. But creation doesn’t suffer the philosophical ‘something from nothing’ issue as god was there.
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VonBonfire
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So evil is not real to you in the supernatural sense or do you just define it as a negative action?
Dan Gleesak
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Sure it does. Where did God come from?
Bad Brain
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God always existed. God created time and space.
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VonBonfire
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The church is meant as a hospital for your soul, not a courtroom.
The world hates Christ, that is not debatable. We are rather sheltered from that hatred in the Christian west but there are people in Nigeria who are being killed for being Christians, period. Now. Today.
I washed dishes in many different restaurants in a couple different states. From my vantage point the nights that didn't suck where the night's no one was there, Christian or non, lol.
Hell is a place of torment because those who hate God will experience his presence as torment while those who love God will experience the presence of the uncreated light as pure joy and peace. Your Jesus prayer is the ladder to heaven. I would challenge you to try it.
