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JTyson
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Agreed
That used to be Daniel Defense but they have priced themselves into a spot that working people will just pay less for a BCM and get top notch reliability ?
I got one before they got so high and it’s been rock solid for thousands of rounds, but no better than a BCM on any measurable metric.
DD’s 308’s have not quite been what their 556’s always were. I flipped one after a month and switched over to POF’s and never looked back.
My only gripe about POF’s is everything in them is proprietary
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Floyd Eye
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I have a failure story about DD, but really it's irrelevant. I mean it's a sample size of a few and every company who builds anything has had some that made it through without being up to par. Most everyone who has them loves them so.......
I have only ever bought one "Off the shelf" AR and that was my first one. I was told I should just build one, but not knowing anything about the platform it looked way too confusing. So I bought a basic carbine, took it completely apart, changed all the furniture, added optics and MBUS, ran it awhile, changed the BCG and trigger, etc.... My point is that normally I buy a complete upper from a tier one company and use the components I want to build it out. You can buy matched receivers and build out the upper and I would if I was using Ballistic Advantage or Aero Precision, but there's no point in doing that if you're looking at DD or BCM or Larue or Noveske. You aren't saving much money and you don't get the advantage of the company's warranty. Bonus, if you buy a complete upper from BCM or Wilson Combat or most other top tier companies you also get one of their premium bolt carrier groups. One less expensive, must have item for you to buy. Doing it this way you can build a fully outfitted WC Ranger for about $1500 when buying the complete rifle from them with no sights, no sling mounts, probably the wrong grip and stock for you and maybe the wrong trigger will cost you a minimum of $2500. Then you have to drop another $500-$600 to change the furniture and trigger. The Wilson has matched receivers. My BCM has an Aero M4E1 lower receiver. I think I spent about $1500 on that one.
JTyson
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Agreed on all points ?
I would add LWRC to that list, but there is a lot more going on with the gas system they use, so the cost is at least somewhat justified being that it’s a lot of proprietary stuff unique to their systems.
I would add LWRC to that list, but there is a lot more going on with the gas system they use, so the cost is at least somewhat justified being that it’s a lot of proprietary stuff unique to their systems.
Floyd Eye
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Agreed. I have zero experience with them, but I know they are well regarded.
Floyd Eye
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There is a lot of talk about tolerance stacking and a lot of guys making a lot of hay out of inconsequential things. Which is typical. Humans, men especially, tend to over think things and deduce their hobbies/passions down into inconsequential minutae. Musicians and gun enthusiasts are particularly bad about that. The fact is though that there are relatively few things that can go wrong with an AR-15. It is a simple design and generally speaking if it works out of the gate it will continue to work. The issues usually arise when people start adding things. The latest and greatest part or piece. And it's compounded if they don't know how to install it correctly or when they don't understand the specific function of the part and how it interacts with other parts and performs in different conditions.
Lower receivers are almost all the same. There are small differences, aesthetically mostly, but if they are mil spec one is really about as good as any other. Having matched upper and lower receivers is nice and usually, if it is a quality brand, lend themselves to tighter fitment and nicer looks. If you get a quality upper or build one correctly using a quality barrel and upper receiver parts very little can go wrong. Gas port size, gas tube length, type of gas block will all coordinate with buffer weight and to some degree BCG characteristics.
Sorry man, I'm blathering on. What I mean to say is if you have a quality barrel, BCG, trigger, lower receiver parts and an appropriate buffer weight you aren't going to have many problems. That can't be easily overcome anyway.
Lower receivers are almost all the same. There are small differences, aesthetically mostly, but if they are mil spec one is really about as good as any other. Having matched upper and lower receivers is nice and usually, if it is a quality brand, lend themselves to tighter fitment and nicer looks. If you get a quality upper or build one correctly using a quality barrel and upper receiver parts very little can go wrong. Gas port size, gas tube length, type of gas block will all coordinate with buffer weight and to some degree BCG characteristics.
Sorry man, I'm blathering on. What I mean to say is if you have a quality barrel, BCG, trigger, lower receiver parts and an appropriate buffer weight you aren't going to have many problems. That can't be easily overcome anyway.
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JTyson
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Agreed, I see guys with parts guns they put together without knowing what they doing and they can’t sort through even minor issues. I guess sometimes major issues are more obvious, but you can tell when a noob has no idea how to evaluate a malfunction.
I had one ask me how to get through one that was stuck badly and I told him “ Your gonna have to mortar that weapon with the stock all the way in to get it to release”
He stared at it for 3 minutes before saying “You mean, like blow it up?”
I just sighed ?
And did it for him.. Explaining it would have been useless
Floyd Eye
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I've never had that issue with any of my guns. I got a buddy though, a combat vet/Marine corps armorer no less, who insists on buying the cheapest shit. He's got Taurus semi auto handguns and a BCA A2 off the shelf. Now there's nothing wrong with BCA, at least that isn't wrong with a lot of other companies. I've built a few using their uppers and I haven't had any issues. And I don't think there's anything fundamentally wrong with his, but he also, until I recently convinced him to quit it, insists on buying Shitty Russian or Chinese steel cased ammo. Both times I had him with me on the range with ARs he got steel cases stuck in the chamber. The first time it broke his extractor. I didn't have to mortar it though, I used a steel rod and drove it back out. Pro tip. Never leave a steel case in the chamber of a hot gun for long.
I find it ironic that an ex marine corps armorer uses me as a de facto gunsmith.
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