Greenbacks mixed with ET65s?

[Rogue]

Anyone tried this combination? I have a potential buy of a Marshall 4x12 and the guy has some ET65s and Veteran30s. I have a pair of greenbacks that I'll be keeping under any circumstance. I have mixed Greenbacks with V30s with ok results. Curious about mixing ET65s and GBs.

Any thoughts?

 

[Mr. Willy]

Curious to see the recommendations. I've got a couple of Heritage Greenbacks laying around. I'd like to try mixing them and see if I like it. I don't think the V30/GB combo is a good one because the V30 drown the Greenies out. Seems like the G75T would mix well with it just going by the specs of both speakers.

 

[Rogue]

Yeah, I had that cab for a long time and I couldn't tell you what it sounded like with just V30s or just GBs...so it is possible the V30s dominated the sound and that is primarily what I heard. I did always record off one of the GBs though and it was a fairly mid focused cab so you are probably right.

I like a GB, though. It's just what I tend to go to....even with IRs. That's what I have in my 2x12 and like them more than what I had in there before. V30s are mehish. I'm not a fan of the G75Ts, but some have said they sound good with V30s. It seems many have claimed the ET65 is a smoother, less biting, fuller GB. May be kind of cool mixed with GBs. Unfortunately, I haven't found anyone to actually do this.

Hopefully someone here has tried it.

 

[Mr. Willy]

I've never mixed V30 and Greenback together, but I kept a 4x12 with V30's and another 4x12 with Greenbacks at my old band's rehearsal space. Whenever I plugged both in and stood right between both cabs the V30 was always louder. Shoot, it was louder even when I stood in front of the Greenbacks. I love both speakers though. Gotta give the nod to V30's for the stage. That midrange slice is very comforting to me when the mix gets woolly. It's a part of my tone I can count on.

I'm not a huge fan of G75T's either. I don't think I've given them a fair shot to be honest. I've only played them through a Dual Rectifier and that head and speaker combo just doesn't go together. I bet an SLO through G75T's would sound amazing because of the 75's huge bottom and top and the SLO's massive mids.

It's late, I'm rambling. The main thing I would look at when combining speakers is the decibel sensitivity. If there's too much difference one speaker will dominate the other. Some guys might not mind that, but it would drive me crazy.

 

[D-Rock]

Just the other day I tried ET65's and G12C Greenbacks (Vintage Modern) in an x pattern in my 425A cab.
I thought it sounded really good with my Soldano, tonnes of mids and crunch. Cut through like crazy.
Ultimately it wasn't what I wanted though. I was looking for a thicker and tighter sound from the cab to match my V30 x GT75 loaded 1960A. Just not enough girth with those two together for my needs.
Today I took out the Greenbacks and now have 2 GT75's with the ET65's and they work nicely together. With the ET65's I get nice aggressive mids with controlled lows and mellow highs. The GT75's add deep thick lows, mellow mids and nice crisp highs. Very much like the V30 X GT75 mix, only with a shift in the mids.

 

[Rogue]

I've never mixed V30 and Greenback together, but I kept a 4x12 with V30's and another 4x12 with Greenbacks at my old band's rehearsal space. Whenever I plugged both in and stood right between both cabs the V30 was always louder. Shoot, it was louder even when I stood in front of the Greenbacks. I love both speakers though. Gotta give the nod to V30's for the stage. That midrange slice is very comforting to me when the mix gets woolly. It's a part of my tone I can count on.

I'm not a huge fan of G75T's either. I don't think I've given them a fair shot to be honest. I've only played them through a Dual Rectifier and that head and speaker combo just doesn't go together. I bet an SLO through G75T's would sound amazing because of the 75's huge bottom and top and the SLO's massive mids.

It's late, I'm rambling. The main thing I would look at when combining speakers is the decibel sensitivity. If there's too much difference one speaker will dominate the other. Some guys might not mind that, but it would drive me crazy.

Both of them are 98 db, I think. The WGS Vet30 is 98db as well, so either would work well in terms of volume. Just not sure how they might sound together.

 

[Rogue]

Just the other day I tried ET65's and G12C Greenbacks (Vintage Modern) in an x pattern in my 425A cab.
I thought it sounded really good with my Soldano, tonnes of mids and crunch. Cut through like crazy.
Ultimately it wasn't what I wanted though. I was looking for a thicker and tighter sound from the cab to match my V30 x GT75 loaded 1960A. Just not enough girth with those two together for my needs.
Today I took out the Greenbacks and now have 2 GT75's with the ET65's and they work nicely together. With the ET65's I get nice aggressive mids with controlled lows and mellow highs. The GT75's add deep thick lows, mellow mids and nice crisp highs. Very much like the V30 X GT75 mix, only with a shift in the mids.

Hmmm. Thanks for that review. Maybe the ET65/Greenback combo doesn't work well...maybe why no one does it.

 

[sled]

I've played around with the GB-ET65 mix but it didn't stay long. Both early 80's GBs and early 2000's GBs.

Also, I've mixed ET65's with quite a few other speakers and they just can't seem to find a home.

 

[Rogue]

I've played around with the GB-ET65 mix but it didn't stay long. Both early 80's GBs and early 2000's GBs.

Also, I've mixed ET65's with quite a few other speakers and they just can't seem to find a home.

Thanks sled. I take it you like GBs, but the ET65s just wasn't cutting it for you?

 

[fek]

I have used ET65's with M75's and they were similar in tone and worked well for me. I added a V30 to the mix and didn't like it at all. I find myself leaning heavily toward vintage high gain Marshall tones with just a touch of modern feel so YMMV.

I currently have M75-LHDC (large cone) 65 watt speakers in a 2X12 and a regular M75 100 watt in a 1X12 but I would have no problem rocking some ET65's again.

 

[blackba]

I don't think its a common mix. When you have people using ET65's or G12-65's they are using them as a higher powered greenback (Don't sound exactly like that), so they need the more power. Once you mix with greenbacks or greenberets you drop the power handling.

 

[Rogue]

I have used ET65's with M75's and they were similar in tone and worked well for me. I added a V30 to the mix and didn't like it at all. I find myself leaning heavily toward vintage high gain Marshall tones with just a touch of modern feel so YMMV.

I currently have M75-LHDC (large cone) 65 watt speakers in a 2X12 and a regular M75 100 watt in a 1X12 but I would have no problem rocking some ET65's again.

Thanks fek. What do you mean by "vintage high gain Marshall"? That might could mean a lot of things.

The M75 is very greenbackish but breaks up way later, right? How would you describe the ET65 compared to it and what did it do to the tone when mixed?

Thanks

 

[Rogue]

I don't think its a common mix. When you have people using ET65's or G12-65's they are using them as a higher powered greenback (Don't sound exactly like that), so they need the more power. Once you mix with greenbacks or greenberets you drop the power handling.

Definitely not a common mix. Hard to find.

I'm keeping my greenbacks for sure, but I need two more speakers and the guy selling the cab (maybe) has two ET65s and two Veteran 30s. I'd probably be happy with a GB loaded cab, but I don't have two more GBs nor the money to pick them up. Soooo, I'm considering what might work of the two he has to offer. I'm not particularly looking to alter the GB tone, so if the ET65 are similar then they may work fine for the time being. Or they may sound like complete jack together. So I'm trying to get thoughts from those that have tried it or are familiar enough with both to make a suggestion.

 

[fek]

I have used ET65's with M75's and they were similar in tone and worked well for me. I added a V30 to the mix and didn't like it at all. I find myself leaning heavily toward vintage high gain Marshall tones with just a touch of modern feel so YMMV.

I currently have M75-LHDC (large cone) 65 watt speakers in a 2X12 and a regular M75 100 watt in a 1X12 but I would have no problem rocking some ET65's again.

Thanks fek. What do you mean by "vintage high gain Marshall"? That might could mean a lot of things.

The M75 is very greenbackish but breaks up way later, right? How would you describe the ET65 compared to it and what did it do to the tone when mixed?

Thanks

By "vintage high gain Marshall" I am talking about 80's and 90's modded Marshall tones. Those tones seem to keep the Marshall vibe but just had a little more. Lots of modded Plexi's, boosted JCM's, etc... back then. The modern high gain tones are fun but just don't sit in the same sonic happy place in my brain.

I think the higher power handling of the three I have is what allows them to break up later than a standard GB. The large dust cap M75 sounds a little deeper in the lows than the standard M75 and I would put the ET65 right in between them but just a touch sharper in the highs.

To be honest, I prefer the slightly smoother high end of the M75's but I could easily live with the ET65's.

 

[ejecta]

Screw mixing speakers you really need to mix some paint.

 

[Rogue]

By "vintage high gain Marshall" I am talking about 80's and 90's modded Marshall tones. Those tones seem to keep the Marshall vibe but just had a little more. Lots of modded Plexi's, boosted JCM's, etc... back then. The modern high gain tones are fun but just don't sit in the same sonic happy place in my brain.

I think the higher power handling of the three I have is what allows them to break up later than a standard GB. The large dust cap M75 sounds a little deeper in the lows than the standard M75 and I would put the ET65 right in between them but just a touch sharper in the highs.

To be honest, I prefer the slightly smoother high end of the M75's but I could easily live with the ET65's.

Would you call the top end of the ET65s harsh?

I would like to try some M75s. They are my go to OwnHammer IR.

 

[Rogue]

Screw mixing speakers you really need to mix some paint.

No shit.

 

[fek]

By "vintage high gain Marshall" I am talking about 80's and 90's modded Marshall tones. Those tones seem to keep the Marshall vibe but just had a little more. Lots of modded Plexi's, boosted JCM's, etc... back then. The modern high gain tones are fun but just don't sit in the same sonic happy place in my brain.

I think the higher power handling of the three I have is what allows them to break up later than a standard GB. The large dust cap M75 sounds a little deeper in the lows than the standard M75 and I would put the ET65 right in between them but just a touch sharper in the highs.

To be honest, I prefer the slightly smoother high end of the M75's but I could easily live with the ET65's.

Would you call the top end of the ET65s harsh?

I would like to try some M75s. They are my go to OwnHammer IR.

No. I would not call them harsh. It's been a few months since I had one around but I would just say that the ET65's just have a touch less of the 3D quality that the M75's have. Not better or worse, just different. Again, I could easily live with the 65's but I do like the M's better.

Where are you located?

 

[Rogue]

No. I would not call them harsh. It's been a few months since I had one around but I would just say that the ET65's just have a touch less of the 3D quality that the M75's have. Not better or worse, just different. Again, I could easily live with the 65's but I do like the M's better.

Where are you located?

Nashville. I've already looked around for some M75s, which you've piqued my curiosity even more.

 

[Mr. Willy]

Anyone mixed G12T-75's with Greenbacks? Specs for mixing look good on paper. G12T-75 - 97 db, Greenback - 98 db.