Hagen vs Uberschall

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Does anyone have both or have experience with both? Just looking for some enlightenment on your thoughts. Have an opportunity to get an uber n then I'll sell Hagen. Hmmm what to do ?
 
I don't have a Hagen, but I am a Diezel guy and have an idea on the type of sound the Hagen is. I do own a Twin Jet Uberschall. Those two amps are very different.

While I think the TJ is awesome, the Herbert/VH4/Hagen is a class above IMHO. After all, 4 channel amp that is midi, multiple FX loops, etc.... vs. a 2channel simple amp. I'm not saying to steer clear of an Uber, just that they are at the other end of the tonal spectrum when it comes to high gain, very gritty and agressive like a Rectifier compared to the Diezels that are clean, tight, and smooth.
 
Yep per I just ran them with an a/ b switch back n forth set them equal got the best I could out of each n close your eyes n the Hagen just fuckin stomps on the bogner. Playing thru a rear load stereo Diezel 4x12 v30xk100 x pattern. It's just night n day. My feelings now are the bogner is a wanna be Mesa. So that's what I'm gonna do return boggy to owner. N pick up a nice Mesa.
 
Never played a Hagen but I didn't like the Uberschall at all. The balance between clean and dirty channel is way off and I found the bottom to flubby. I thought you were in love with the Hagen and trying to deal the Herbert?
 
Yeah I got a lil side tracked. I played the uber thru a Marshall w greenbacks then my Hagen thru same cab. N it was like wtf happened. So I borrowed the uber ncame home ran them thru my cab n Diezel just fkn literally walks over it. N I really tried to push the uber but it got sloppy. Hence my report is: DIEZEL still is king. Then I plugged in my Herbert n it was just like I remember Brutal perfection. So I can't get rid of either. But gonna pick up a Mesa. Still love Mesa. Multi watt recto maybe.
 
Yeah I miss the Mesa tone. I like the Mesa modded by FJA. I used to have a triple rec for about 10 years should have never sold it. I sold roadster cuz my other guitarist at the time was using one. N we needed some other stuff. But however my triple seamed to sound better than roadster? The new multi watt looks appealing. Anyway I see once again nothing replaces Diezel. My Dar forza crushed that boggy as well. Dar has its own thing going on. I love that amp. It's going back for a couple updates.
 
No contest in my opinion. Having owned the Rev.Blue and TJ, the Uberschall's a terrific amp, and covers a lot of awesome ground on 2 channels, but it's no Hagen....not even close. I will say, if I had the space for it, the Twin Jet would still be in my repertoire, but no dice. I've got a few multi-channel heads, and that's my scene. The Hagen and Uberschall are in totally different leagues.
 
I have a uber rev blue and its one of my favorite amps but lately i been wanting to get a hagen and i would like to trade if anybody is interested.
 
I'm playing w tubes. Preamps. Any suggestions. I have sovtek, jj, chinese7 th., Mesa, tungsol n ruby to work with. Lil more grit would be nice. Also have a set of jj kt77. I have tubes Peter put in ruby el34bg in it
 
cujo":3sqyccnm said:
I'm playing w tubes. Preamps. Any suggestions. I have sovtek, jj, chinese7 th., Mesa, tungsol n ruby to work with. Lil more grit would be nice. Also have a set of jj kt77. I have tubes Peter put in ruby el34bg in it
You talking the Hagen? If so, stick to high grade chinese 12AX7s, and if you have to change power tubes, try a matched quad of Gold Lion KT77s to spice it up a bit. I've still got the stock glass in my Hagen, and I love it as is. YMMV.
 
cujo":u6lw2p5l said:
Yep per I just ran them with an a/ b switch back n forth set them equal got the best I could out of each n close your eyes n the Hagen just fuckin stomps on the bogner. Playing thru a rear load stereo Diezel 4x12 v30xk100 x pattern. It's just night n day. My feelings now are the bogner is a wanna be Mesa. So that's what I'm gonna do return boggy to owner. N pick up a nice Mesa.


Try the Bogner with an Uberkab and A/B that before you sell.

Just a thought, might get different results.
 
I just borrowed the uber. Played it thru 3 diff cabs. Out the door it goes !!! Glad I didn't buy one wo trying it. Don't get me wrong sounds good but once u crank it it gets loose. N next to Hagen. Like a corvette trying to catch a Ferrari. :lol: :LOL:
 
cujo":22247iy2 said:
Does anyone have both or have experience with both? Just looking for some enlightenment on your thoughts. Have an opportunity to get an uber n then I'll sell Hagen. Hmmm what to do ?


have extensive time on both. a far more appropriate comparison would be herbert and uber. hagen is more upper mid attack and uber is visceral low end. really 2 different animals.

A Wood
 
BrokenFusion":119b9qdg said:
Mini recto slaved through the Hagen :rock:

diezel power amps love this. my live dfu tone is stereo rhodes into both power amps. my live crunch tone is herbie and rhodes together. it. moves. mountains.

A Wood
 
cujo":3a772qz8 said:
I just borrowed the uber. Played it thru 3 diff cabs. Out the door it goes !!! Glad I didn't buy one wo trying it. Don't get me wrong sounds good but once u crank it it gets loose. N next to Hagen. Like a corvette trying to catch a Ferrari. :lol: :LOL:

What revision Uberschall was it?
 
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